(June 20, 2025 at 7:38 am)Charlie Boy Wrote:Cite one of those laws for me please, also a few of these "reasoned beliefs", that you think is a barrier to common civility and not deliberately insulting people.(June 20, 2025 at 5:04 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: How can anyone be so stupid as to claim that allowing people to freely identify their gender imposes rules and restrictions on them? It's literally quite the opposite.
Seriously, you are either an idiot or a troll.
The concern is that others are now obliged—by policy, law, or social pressure—to participate in those identifications regardless of their own reasoned beliefs.
Quote:Misgendering, even inadvertently, can cost someone their job.I am dubious, can you cite any such employment laws for me?
Quote:Children are being transitioned without full psychological assessment, while teachers and parents are sometimes legally or professionally penalised for raising doubts or suggesting caution.Again I am dubious, what does "being transitioned" entail in this claim exactly? Though of course even were there evidenced examples, this seems to have no relevance to granting transgender rights that I can see.
Quote:Freedom to identify oneself is one thing. Compelled affirmation by others, under threat of sanction, is quite another.
Well we already do this, anti-Semitic or racist remarks are sanctioned in various ways, as are openly sexist epithets, or hate speech against gay people for example, why do want to treat transgender people differently?
Quote:expressing biological facts is rebranded as “hate speech,”
That is another dubious assertion, since the biological sex at birth, must differ from gender identity or there would be nothing to discuss, it's more likely that people who deliberately use someone's biological sex at birth, to persecute someone whose psychological gender differs from this, is labelled hate speech. Again why would one do this, what would one hope to gain, why do you even care?
Quote:So, yes—gender self-identification may feel like liberation to some. But for many others, it arrives packaged with expectations, enforcement, and penalties.Like those poor racists who can no longer use openly racist words and expressions, or homophobic bigots, who can no longer use their religious beliefs to persecute and insult gay people, yes it must be torture for you to be told you can't indulge your prejudice with impunity.

Quote:One person’s freedom cannot hinge on another’s compelled agreement.What a spectacularly stupid claim, we pass laws that do this all the time, and always have.
Quote:Would you care to revisit your claim with that in mind—or would you prefer to continue debating shadows of your own invention?
That is a massive irony overload, as you seem to be touting the usual straw man claims, while bleating that there is now yet another group of people who you are no longer free to openly indulge in bigotry and prejudice against, poor poor you...
I can only suggest you grow a pair, and accept that espousing hatred and bigotry is not a right, well not in any decent society anyway.