That Trans Thread

[Sheldon]

Cite one of those laws for me please, also a few of these "reasoned beliefs", that you think is a barrier to common civility and not deliberately insulting people. 

I am dubious, can you cite any such employment laws for me? 
Again I am dubious, what does "being transitioned" entail in this claim exactly? Though of course even were there evidenced examples, this seems to have no relevance to granting transgender rights that I can see. 

Well we already do this, anti-Semitic or racist remarks are sanctioned in various ways, as are openly sexist epithets, or hate speech against gay people for example, why do want to treat transgender people differently?  

That is another dubious assertion, since the biological sex at birth, must differ from gender identity or there would be nothing to discuss, it's more likely that people who deliberately use someone's biological sex at birth, to persecute someone whose psychological gender differs from this, is labelled hate speech. Again why would one do this, what would one hope to gain, why do you even care? 
Like those poor racists who can no longer use openly racist words and expressions, or homophobic bigots, who can no longer use their religious beliefs to persecute and insult gay people, yes it must be torture for you to be told you can't indulge your prejudice with impunity.  
What a spectacularly stupid claim, we pass laws that do this all the time, and always have. 

That is a massive irony overload, as you seem to be touting the usual straw man claims, while bleating that there is now yet another group of people who you are no longer free to openly indulge in bigotry and prejudice against, poor poor you...
I can only suggest you grow a pair, and accept that espousing hatred and bigotry is not a right, well not in any decent society anyway.

The Cass Review—commissioned by NHS England—found the evidence for puberty blockers and social transition to be “poor” or “low quality”, lacking long-term follow-up, and cautioned that puberty blockers should no longer be routinely offered outside clinical trials

Great, I am all for protecting children, what's your point? 

One judge in the UK’s Re Devin case explicitly blocked puberty blockers for a 12-year-old, citing insufficient clinical consensus and irreversible risks

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That seems to be the law protecting a child, by insisting on a more rigorous clinical methodology. Again your point escapes me? 

“Employment law for misgendering?…”

In Lister v New College Swindon, maths teacher Kevin Lister was fired and lost an Employment Tribunal for refusing to use a trans pupil’s chosen name/pronouns—legally upheld as reasonable action in response to his refusal

You claimed one could be sacked for "misgendering" someone even inadvertently, so that was a clumsy and blatant lie, as in this example someone was sacked for deliberately and repeatedly indulging in bigotry, should laws no longer protect against bigotry, racism sexism and homophobia in the workplace then? Or is it just the one demographic you think ought to be discriminated against openly, and with impunity? 

Another case saw a teacher disciplined and later reinstated after challenging aggressive pronoun policies—real-world consequences for refusing compelled affirmation

It must be hell for bigots to have their hate speech censured in this way, cry me a river. Note this was also not an inadvertent slip, as you claimed, and I asserted was dubious, it seems my instincts were spot on. 

The Cass review isn’t hand-waving—it has already halted NHS prescriptions of puberty blockers outside clinical trials, spurred government action to regulate private clinics, and closed the Tavistock clinic amid policy reform

Straw man, well done...

This is not mere “identity politics”—it’s tangible policy and legal change.

We have laws that stop people persecuting others in the workplace yes, I suggest you get used to it. 

In summary, the evidence is real: weakening clinical support, legal penalties, employment consequences.

Openly persecuting others in the work place is likely to get you sacked, who didn't know this? Who on earth thinks this is not a good thing?

You may cry “bigotry!” every time these realities are named—but that’s not discourse—it’s a shell game, shifting attention away from substance.

I think you need to look up bigotry in the dictionary, as those examples are textbook. 

So yes, I’ve provided citations—links to actual tribunals and reviews. And yes, I have thoroughly dismantled your straw-man argument.

I made no straw man arguments, so I think that fallacy might be something else you need to learn the definition of.