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Tell me, what makes this wrong.
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RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong.
(July 22, 2025 at 6:46 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(July 22, 2025 at 6:12 am)Alan V Wrote: Religious epistemology has been shown to be incorrect by science, specifically by psychologists.

There is a religion called "Buddhism." 

There are roughly 500 million Buddhists. 

Buddhist epistemology has not been shown to be incorrect by science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_l...istemology


There is such a thing as the unfalsifiability fallacy in religion, which means that religious beliefs cannot be proven wrong through evidence or observation. Religious often use this to shield religious claims from rational scrutiny, as any attempt to disprove them can be countered by asserting that the evidence is insufficient, or that the belief exists outside the realm of empirical verification.

Here's explanation from Logically Fallacious:

Quote:Description: Confidently asserting that a theory or hypothesis is true or false even though the theory or hypothesis cannot possibly be contradicted by an observation or the outcome of any physical experiment, usually without strong evidence or good reasons.

Making unfalsifiable claims is a way to leave the realm of rational discourse, since unfalsifiable claims are often faith-based, and not founded on evidence and reason.

Logical Form:

X is true (when X is cannot possibly be demonstrated to be false)

Example #1:

I have tiny, invisible unicorns living in my anus. Unfortunately, these cannot be detected by any kind of scientific equipment.

Explanation: While it may actually be a fact that tiny, invisible, mythological creatures are occupying this person’s opening at the lower end of the alimentary canal, it is a theory that is constructed so it cannot be falsified in any way; therefore, should not be seriously considered without significant evidence.

Example #2:

Priests can literally turn wine into the blood of Jesus.

Explanation: Surely, we can examine the liquid and see if it at least changes chemically, can we not? No. Because transubstantiation is not about a physical or chemical change, but a change in “substance” -- which, of course, is not a material change and, therefore, impossible to falsify. Furthermore, the claim is not that it “might be” happening, but it certainly is happening, adding to the fallaciousness of the claim. The only evidence for this is some ambiguous verses in the Bible -- so ambiguous that over a billion Christians don’t subscribe to the belief that transubstantiation occurs. So we have unfalsifiability, belief of certainty, and very weak evidence.

Exception: All unfalsifiable claims are not fallacious; they are just unfalsifiable. As long as proper skepticism is retained and proper evidence is given, it could be a legitimate form of reasoning.

Tip: Never assume you must be right simply because you can’t be proven wrong.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logi...ifiability
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by NegievProsnasol - June 25, 2025 at 9:31 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by DocGabby - July 19, 2025 at 8:17 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 19, 2025 at 9:03 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by AFTT47 - July 19, 2025 at 11:34 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by zebo-the-fat - July 20, 2025 at 6:23 am
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Fake Messiah - July 20, 2025 at 3:01 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Rizen - July 20, 2025 at 9:19 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by AFTT47 - July 21, 2025 at 12:36 am
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Belacqua - July 21, 2025 at 2:04 am
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Rizen - July 21, 2025 at 12:55 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Belacqua - July 21, 2025 at 5:10 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Fake Messiah - July 21, 2025 at 5:57 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Rizen - July 21, 2025 at 8:53 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Belacqua - July 21, 2025 at 11:52 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 22, 2025 at 12:04 am
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Alan V - July 22, 2025 at 6:12 am
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Belacqua - July 22, 2025 at 6:46 am
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Fake Messiah - July 22, 2025 at 6:58 am
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Alan V - July 22, 2025 at 9:29 am
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Belacqua - July 22, 2025 at 10:33 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 22, 2025 at 11:13 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Paleophyte - July 21, 2025 at 9:24 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Alan V - July 20, 2025 at 6:15 am
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 21, 2025 at 12:48 am
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Alan V - July 20, 2025 at 5:12 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by arewethereyet - July 21, 2025 at 5:47 am
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Nanny - July 22, 2025 at 1:13 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Rizen - July 22, 2025 at 5:14 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Belacqua - July 22, 2025 at 10:35 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Paleophyte - July 23, 2025 at 1:58 am
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Rizen - July 23, 2025 at 12:26 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by arewethereyet - July 23, 2025 at 12:33 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Rizen - July 23, 2025 at 12:52 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Rizen - July 23, 2025 at 1:37 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Nanny - July 23, 2025 at 8:47 am
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Rizen - July 23, 2025 at 12:32 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Nanny - July 23, 2025 at 2:16 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Rizen - July 23, 2025 at 2:46 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Nanny - July 23, 2025 at 3:45 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Rizen - July 23, 2025 at 4:39 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Rizen - July 23, 2025 at 3:14 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Nanny - July 23, 2025 at 4:55 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Paleophyte - July 23, 2025 at 7:58 pm
RE: Tell me, what makes this wrong. - by Angrboda - July 23, 2025 at 8:08 pm

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