(August 30, 2026 at 7:57 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I don't think you can reasonably question natural selection if you didn't know that natural selection has a very well researched and practically applied explanation for hunger. As for my rambling....it's another one of those things where the simple fact of you saying that is deleterious for your position. Do you have a theodicy for this too? A reason that hunger only seems decisive....when its really the hand of god groping his reluctant boybride?
I see another explosive mistake. You think that determinism and predeterminism are the same thing. Have you considered that it could only be the case that predeterminism were true if a conscious agent worked all day every day everywhere to make it so, fixing little rips and rifts in casaulity? You;re objecting to fate my man, not atheism, or natural selection. I don't believe in fate anymore than I believe in gods or that consciousness is a fundamental unit.
Determinism and predeterminism are either the same, or at least of sufficient affinity to be a moot distinction in this debate.
