RE: Natural Selection Seems Insufficient
Today at 10:40 am
(This post was last modified: Today at 10:51 am by Jal.)
Hi popeyespappy:
I think I get it. Given history's hodgepodge and melting pot of religious traditions, to you it seems like a random intermixture incompatible with the existence of a single monotheistic Yahweh. I would say that if all believers had achieved prophethood, history would tend to reflect single, consistent, uncontaminated tradition for Yahweh. Because Yahweh speaks clearly to prophets, which helps to keep their doctrines pure.
Doctrinal contamination is one of the reasons that Yahweh was at times vehemently opposed to the intermingling of the Hebrews with foreign peoples.
Your skepticism is common, widespread, understandable, and noted, but I think the two testaments paint a consistent picture of God. Which is comforting in itself.
You insinuate that Yahweh is a storm god. That is quite correct, Scripture makes no bones about it. Scripture is perfectly clear that Yahweh is a storm God. In a materialistic panpsychism, it pretty much goes with the territory. This is one of the reasons I am so opposed to the 2000 years of immaterialism constituting traditional theological idiocy. Psalm 18 is one of my favorite examples of our storm God. Christans have yet to learn from Psalm 18 that what they call "revival" is, behind the scenes, a physical Storm unleashed by God to drive demons out of their lands and atmosphere. From Psalm 18:
"In my distress I called upon the LORD; I cried to my God for help.
From His temple He heard my voice, and my cry for His help reached His ears.
Then the earth shook and quaked, and the foundations of the mountains trembled;
they were shaken because He burned with anger. Smoke rose from His nostrils,
and consuming fire came from His mouth; glowing coals blazed forth.
He parted the heavens and came down with dark clouds beneath His feet.
He mounted a cherub and flew; He soared on the wings of the wind.
He made darkness His hiding place, and storm clouds a canopy around Him.
From the brightness of His presence His clouds advanced—hailstones and coals of fire.
The LORD thundered from heaven; the voice of the Most High resounded—
hailstones and coals of fire. He shot His arrows and scattered the foes;
He hurled lightning and routed them.
When Jesus later promised to return to earth riding "on the clouds of heaven", He means a divine Storm. The Book of Ezekiel is prolific with such phenomena.
You say that tradition has him "marching from Seir with storm and earthquake, not slowly assembling galaxies from unawakened matter."
We are told He CREATED the heavens and the earth. This can only imply a HUGE period of time (consistent with a slow assembling of galaxies).
And since He evidently didn't use awakened matter, He must have used unawakened matter. My account is perfectly consistent with Scripture.
Admittedly it's an inference. I never denied that. For example, the word Trinity doesn't exist in Scripture. It's simply a well-reasoned deduction and interpretation.
I am guessing that a discourse on panpsychism wasn't the most effective way for Yahweh to inspire readers. Hence the Bible doesn't explicitly mention it.
Cheers.
I think I get it. Given history's hodgepodge and melting pot of religious traditions, to you it seems like a random intermixture incompatible with the existence of a single monotheistic Yahweh. I would say that if all believers had achieved prophethood, history would tend to reflect single, consistent, uncontaminated tradition for Yahweh. Because Yahweh speaks clearly to prophets, which helps to keep their doctrines pure.
Doctrinal contamination is one of the reasons that Yahweh was at times vehemently opposed to the intermingling of the Hebrews with foreign peoples.
Your skepticism is common, widespread, understandable, and noted, but I think the two testaments paint a consistent picture of God. Which is comforting in itself.
You insinuate that Yahweh is a storm god. That is quite correct, Scripture makes no bones about it. Scripture is perfectly clear that Yahweh is a storm God. In a materialistic panpsychism, it pretty much goes with the territory. This is one of the reasons I am so opposed to the 2000 years of immaterialism constituting traditional theological idiocy. Psalm 18 is one of my favorite examples of our storm God. Christans have yet to learn from Psalm 18 that what they call "revival" is, behind the scenes, a physical Storm unleashed by God to drive demons out of their lands and atmosphere. From Psalm 18:
"In my distress I called upon the LORD; I cried to my God for help.
From His temple He heard my voice, and my cry for His help reached His ears.
Then the earth shook and quaked, and the foundations of the mountains trembled;
they were shaken because He burned with anger. Smoke rose from His nostrils,
and consuming fire came from His mouth; glowing coals blazed forth.
He parted the heavens and came down with dark clouds beneath His feet.
He mounted a cherub and flew; He soared on the wings of the wind.
He made darkness His hiding place, and storm clouds a canopy around Him.
From the brightness of His presence His clouds advanced—hailstones and coals of fire.
The LORD thundered from heaven; the voice of the Most High resounded—
hailstones and coals of fire. He shot His arrows and scattered the foes;
He hurled lightning and routed them.
When Jesus later promised to return to earth riding "on the clouds of heaven", He means a divine Storm. The Book of Ezekiel is prolific with such phenomena.
(Today at 8:20 am)popeyespappy Wrote: TL;DR:Scripture is silent on Yahweh's origin. Actually it's silent on a number of things. So what?
Yahweh's earliest historical footprint...shows a regional storm/warrior god who gradually absorbed El's titles and council over ~1000 years, then only became explicitly singular/universal during the Babylonian exile (Second Isaiah, 6th century BCE)...None of this trajectory looks anything like "first piece of matter to awaken unto sentience" The earliest layers have him marching from Seir with storm and earthquake, not slowly assembling galaxies from unawakened matter. Your panpsychist Yahweh isn't a hidden truth beneath the ancient sources. It's a modern concept retrofitted onto a deity whose actual documented history was going somewhere else entirely.
You say that tradition has him "marching from Seir with storm and earthquake, not slowly assembling galaxies from unawakened matter."
We are told He CREATED the heavens and the earth. This can only imply a HUGE period of time (consistent with a slow assembling of galaxies).
And since He evidently didn't use awakened matter, He must have used unawakened matter. My account is perfectly consistent with Scripture.
Admittedly it's an inference. I never denied that. For example, the word Trinity doesn't exist in Scripture. It's simply a well-reasoned deduction and interpretation.
I am guessing that a discourse on panpsychism wasn't the most effective way for Yahweh to inspire readers. Hence the Bible doesn't explicitly mention it.
Cheers.


