RE: The Fear Card
January 10, 2012 at 10:19 pm
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2012 at 10:23 pm by Godscreated.)
(January 10, 2012 at 8:22 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(January 10, 2012 at 7:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: God has made it clear those who choose to believe will be saved by grace, those who choose not to believe will receive hell.
For something that's been "made clear", there still is a lot of debate on the topic.
Godschild Wrote:It would be nice to have a world of only christians but, then that would mean there would have never be sin in the world and no need for Christ's sacrifice thus no hell. In other words there would have never been a fall by Lucifer or man.
Right, because christians never sin.
Sorry, I did not make that very clear did I, actually if there was not a fall there would never have been christianity. Christians are repentant and forgiven sinners.
(January 10, 2012 at 8:31 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:(January 10, 2012 at 7:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: God has made it clear those who choose to believe will be saved by grace, those who choose not to believe will receive hell.
And if we strip away all of the bullshit and circular arguments about christianity, this is what it boils down to isn't it?
Believe and you're saved, don't believe and it's hell. That's everything right there. Nothing else is important.
No sane person could ever accept that all that matters to god is if you believe he exists or not. That you could quite literally kill everybody on earth, just for a laugh, and so long as you believe god is real and repent your sins, you've got the golden ticket. What shit. Fuck off with your shit, man.
Wow I keep swearing. Bad day. Apologies everyone.
Believe it or not you can believe God exist and still not be saved. Just because someone believes in God does not mean they accept him for who he truly is. Your example above would not necessarily get you into Heaven.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
