Atheism feels shunned...

[Purple Rabbit]

How many times have I said that I'm not claming to know it's material? I'm only saying that there's no reason to believe it isn't! No reason to make an exception.

I guess it all boils down to this sentence. It essentially says that you will not accept any observation on the mental as an exception to the rule that all is material. IOW there is no reason to doubt such a claim. I say that science's current inability to show how the mental is a product of the material is in itself a reason to doubt the claim that the material view is complete. The problem of qualia, the inaccessibility of first-person experience from third-person perspective, the relative independence of mental concepts from material configuration (multiple realizability) all are clear reasons for doubt. As long as science does not explain these features of existence there is clear reason to doubt the material view. Both science and philosophy of science acknowledge that these facts of existence are reason enough to doubt the completeness of the material view.

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You cannot show me here that you understand anything of such a simple thing as what I perceive as red.

So? Who says it has to be intuitively understood?

You have added the word 'intuitively' here yourself, I haven't used the word in this topic and I do not assert that it is necessary for a scientific theory to be intuitively understood. Only that adopting completeness for it as you do with the argument that there is no reason to think it's not a complete description of the mental also defies logic.

'I have no reason to think that things that cannot be explained in the material view can cast doubt on the material view.'