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Do animals have free Will?
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RE: Do animals have free Will?
(February 9, 2012 at 5:08 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Moral decisions and instinctual decisions? GC...instincts are things we do without making decisions. You don't decide to pull your hand out of fire, you do it by instinct. When a cat just lets a bird waltz right by, is it making an "instinctual choice" to ignore it's instincts, or a "moral choice"..lol? Before you comeback with domestication..yes, wild predators also sport hunt, and they also decide not to chase prey sometimes, for reasons they are incapable of explaining to us themselves.

(again, for the record, my choice of words was meant to convey the tendency that people have to call acts of violence "senseless" or "without reason". Probably poor composition. If human wars or violence can be said to be senseless or without reason, or Min, if "godtoldmeto" isn't a reason...well, why not chimp wars, chimp violence?)

Yes, young predators do kill to sharpen their skills and rarely do they leave the kill uneaten. That practice would be detrimental to their survival. If your fire analogy were true our instinct would be not putting our hand in the fire. People do burn and cut themselves on purpose, thus overriding an instinct, which in most cases would indicate mental illness. Some people will put themselves in harms way to protect others, there are a few reasons people put themselves in harms way, and it mostly has to do with loving others, even strangers. I would not consider this to be a mental illness, I would say that it's a choice that is stronger than instinct in some people.
Chimps that ignore their instincts and do something senseless are probably wired wrong and would be a determent to themselves and their troop. Thus through natural selection this bad wiring would or should be eliminated.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Do animals have free Will? - by Forsaken - February 9, 2012 at 5:15 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by tackattack - February 9, 2012 at 6:24 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Tiberius - February 9, 2012 at 6:31 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by AthiestAtheist - February 9, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Norfolk And Chance - April 13, 2012 at 12:41 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by tackattack - February 9, 2012 at 7:20 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Napoléon - February 9, 2012 at 7:53 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 10:35 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by genkaus - February 9, 2012 at 11:13 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 11:22 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by genkaus - February 9, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Whateverist - February 9, 2012 at 11:34 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Shell B - February 9, 2012 at 12:24 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Anomalocaris - February 9, 2012 at 12:29 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Shell B - February 9, 2012 at 12:34 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Rokcet Scientist - February 9, 2012 at 12:26 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Rokcet Scientist - February 9, 2012 at 10:19 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Edwardo Piet - February 9, 2012 at 12:55 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Minimalist - February 9, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by RW_9 - February 9, 2012 at 1:21 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Cosmic Ape - February 9, 2012 at 1:23 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by 5thHorseman - February 9, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by genkaus - February 9, 2012 at 3:28 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 3:34 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by genkaus - February 9, 2012 at 4:06 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Anomalocaris - February 9, 2012 at 4:27 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by genkaus - February 10, 2012 at 9:21 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 4:09 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by genkaus - February 9, 2012 at 4:41 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Minimalist - February 9, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Jackalope - February 9, 2012 at 4:31 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 4:24 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Jackalope - February 9, 2012 at 4:24 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 4:47 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Godschild - February 9, 2012 at 5:00 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by AthiestAtheist - February 10, 2012 at 2:33 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by jediphobic - February 9, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Minimalist - February 9, 2012 at 5:05 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Godschild - February 9, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 5:08 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Godschild - February 9, 2012 at 5:57 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 5:35 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 6:14 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Minimalist - February 9, 2012 at 6:51 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by 5thHorseman - February 10, 2012 at 3:55 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by padraic - February 9, 2012 at 8:36 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Godschild - February 9, 2012 at 11:16 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Rokcet Scientist - February 10, 2012 at 10:58 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 10, 2012 at 2:37 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by padraic - February 10, 2012 at 3:41 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by AthiestAtheist - February 10, 2012 at 11:29 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Godschild - April 12, 2012 at 8:03 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Chuff - February 10, 2012 at 5:50 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Rokcet Scientist - February 10, 2012 at 6:04 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 10, 2012 at 11:47 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by genkaus - February 10, 2012 at 12:27 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 10, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by genkaus - February 10, 2012 at 1:40 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 10, 2012 at 1:42 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by genkaus - February 10, 2012 at 3:47 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 10, 2012 at 3:50 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by genkaus - February 10, 2012 at 3:55 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 10, 2012 at 4:00 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by genkaus - February 10, 2012 at 7:08 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 10, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by genkaus - February 10, 2012 at 8:10 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 10, 2012 at 8:12 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by genkaus - February 10, 2012 at 9:22 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 11, 2012 at 12:08 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Rokcet Scientist - February 11, 2012 at 3:16 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by genkaus - February 11, 2012 at 8:30 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by The Grand Nudger - February 11, 2012 at 8:36 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by genkaus - February 11, 2012 at 9:31 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by NoMoreFaith - April 12, 2012 at 8:11 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Godschild - April 12, 2012 at 8:44 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Faith No More - April 12, 2012 at 8:53 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by Aegrus - April 12, 2012 at 9:37 am
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by R-e-n-n-a-t - April 12, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: Do animals have free Will? - by padraic - April 12, 2012 at 7:37 pm

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