urge to pray - advice/help

[The Grand Nudger]

The same bible that tells us about the trickery is the same bible that tells us how to avoid it. An unknown enemy is far more effective than a known one.

The enemy is still unknown, those precautions were actually recommended by demons as a trap.

Apparently when you stated that no one could tell the difference between Gods work and Satans work, you didn't realize you were engaging into a hypothetical scenerio and that within this hypothetical Gods existence and Satans existence are assumed to be true.

And? Imagine a hydra is coming into your house to steal the blue M&M's....

Again, an unknown enemy is more effective than a known one. If Satan wrote the bible he wouldn't have included himself in it, or any of the embarassing details of his fall from grace.

Sure he would, to give you the impression that he is weak or capable of being defeated, which he is not. That's how trickster gods work, they trick you. How hard is this to understand?

Again, if Satan does exist you would be unaware of it. You could only be completely unable to discern the difference. You might want to think about whether all the time and energy you have invested into fighting against Jesus Christ could possibly be justified. You might want to examine your reactions and see if there is any connection to reality there. When I was a nonbeliever, I thought pretty much the same things, that Christians (and anyone else who made supernatural claims) were just delusional. I didn't believe any of it was true, and therefore, I didn't waste any of my own time arguing against something I didn't even believe existed.

How then, might I ask, are you aware of Satan's existence in light of the claim that you opened this bit with? Try not to shoot your own feet when you aim at me. Fighting against Jesus Christ? I'm ridiculing your fairy tale, there's nothing to fight. It's his flock that I have issue with.

My reactions to what, christianity? My reaction to christianity is that there is no connection to reality there..... Maybe you shouldn't waste your time trying to convince people that fairies exist eh? At what point did you lose your handle on that, since you seemed to have grasped it in the past?

The reason I didn't act that way was because I wasn't truly resisting God, at least not to the point of blindly denying Him. I was open to the truth, whatever it was, and if that included Jesus, so be it. I didn't think it was likely to be what any of the religions said it was, but I wasn't closed minded to potential possibility of it.

Neither am I, and again, if your fairy does exist I still don't want anything to do with it, because it disgusts me.

What I think is that you probably have more than a clue about the existence of God. I am willing to wager that you have received signs from God that you are in denial about and try to explain away or just simply suppress.

You;re right on that count, I do have more than a clue, which is why I'm an atheist. Is that your wager? Next time you consider making a wager, don't, you don't have any talent for it.

I've met many atheists for instance that have had out of body experiences but still deny they have a spirit. There is an atheist I am speaking to in this very forum who knows he has a spirit and he still denies there is a God.

Ive met many atheists who believe in magic as well, and? Spirit does not equal god, one can be an atheist and believe in spirits (though if he;s claiming knowledge, it would be nice to see his evidence).

Even if you had a vision of Jesus in all His glory you would probably still deny Him, because this isn't really about evidence.

Visions are evidence now? I was unaware. That being said, if I had a "vision" of jesus it wouldn't change my opinion of jesus one bit. Except, of course, if in that vision Jesus explained to me exactly how badly you christians botched his story.

It is about a rebellion against Gods authority and not wanting to give up the things that would have to change to submit to His Lordship

There is no such god, and there is no such authority. What exactly do you think I would have to change btw? I'm a married father of 4 that provides for most of my family either completely or partially, I have never been charged with of or convicted of any crime, I treat people around me fairly and kindly.....you're just a fundie douchebag attempting to play god and pass judgement on someone you've never met. Go fuck yourself.