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A Scientific Basis for Spirit
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RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit
If you've redefined spirit as consciousness then no experiment or further evidence is required, consciousness exists.

You've misrepresented current understanding of the matter. Those high level thoughts aren't experiencing consciousness, they are consciousness. The rest of your comments on this matter are based upon this misrepresentation, so your criticism of the current understanding is baseless. In short, straw man due to a fuzzy understanding of the subject.

Your "experiment" simply assumes that your brain is experiencing something eternal. You're asking us to think without thinking. To focus without exerting the mental effort required to focus. To pay attention without paying attention etc etc. I have to ask, if we have to use our biological machines to conduct this experiment how can we be sure that what we are experiencing is external to those machines in the first place? Where are our blinds, double blinds? What are the parameters, what are we attempting to achieve, what results should we expect?

What you've described as a given, no, "clearly a given" is no such thing, at least not based upon this "experiment"...which isn't an experiment at all....

I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 11, 2012 at 6:37 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by RW_9 - February 11, 2012 at 6:39 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by padraic - February 11, 2012 at 6:58 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Epimethean - February 11, 2012 at 7:08 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by The Grand Nudger - February 11, 2012 at 6:54 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 11, 2012 at 7:18 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Anomalocaris - February 11, 2012 at 7:05 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by The Grand Nudger - February 11, 2012 at 7:29 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 11, 2012 at 7:55 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Cyberman - February 11, 2012 at 7:54 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by The Grand Nudger - February 11, 2012 at 8:04 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 11, 2012 at 8:18 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Cyberman - February 11, 2012 at 8:33 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Epimethean - February 11, 2012 at 8:09 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by reverendjeremiah - February 11, 2012 at 8:13 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by The Grand Nudger - February 11, 2012 at 8:24 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 11, 2012 at 8:34 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Cyberman - February 11, 2012 at 8:44 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 11, 2012 at 9:14 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by The Grand Nudger - February 11, 2012 at 8:45 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 11, 2012 at 9:10 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by The Grand Nudger - February 11, 2012 at 9:14 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by The Grand Nudger - February 11, 2012 at 9:16 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by padraic - February 11, 2012 at 9:33 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Cyberman - February 11, 2012 at 9:48 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 11, 2012 at 10:20 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Phil - February 12, 2012 at 12:27 am
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by reverendjeremiah - February 12, 2012 at 11:07 am
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 12, 2012 at 3:05 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Phil - February 12, 2012 at 8:53 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 12, 2012 at 9:44 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Phil - February 12, 2012 at 9:46 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 12, 2012 at 9:57 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Cyberman - February 11, 2012 at 10:40 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 11, 2012 at 11:59 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by The Grand Nudger - February 12, 2012 at 12:20 am
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Cyberman - February 12, 2012 at 3:15 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 12, 2012 at 3:47 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Cosmic Ape - February 12, 2012 at 3:25 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 12, 2012 at 3:53 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Cyberman - February 12, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 12, 2012 at 3:58 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by The Grand Nudger - February 12, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 12, 2012 at 4:04 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by The Grand Nudger - February 12, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by The Grand Nudger - February 12, 2012 at 4:11 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 12, 2012 at 4:26 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Epimethean - February 12, 2012 at 7:07 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 12, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by The Grand Nudger - February 12, 2012 at 7:11 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Cyberman - February 12, 2012 at 7:22 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Epimethean - February 12, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Epimethean - February 12, 2012 at 7:44 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Abracadabra - February 12, 2012 at 8:29 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by Epimethean - February 12, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RE: A Scientific Basis for Spirit - by reverendjeremiah - February 12, 2012 at 11:16 pm

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