(July 18, 2009 at 3:12 pm)Jon Paul Wrote:In short, your answer is that you define your god as not contingent upon anything else because you see that defining him otherwise leads to logical contradiction. However eloquent it is a thoroughly unsatisfying answer because it does not adress the question HOW you KNOW this fact. You seem to conceive your own facts. This will not do as an argument because it is circular reasoning.(July 18, 2009 at 2:40 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote: How do you know that god is not contingent upon anything else? Is it god's word you go by? That would be circularv reasoning.Because of my conception of God, which I have already explained in detail, which specifically logically necessitates him as noncontingent upon anything outside of himself, because that would be a contradiction of the logical precepts and metaphysics involved in the claim.
Contrary to the causality of the universe, which in its very nature of impure actuality is constantly re-contingent upon an outside actuality for the actualisation of new potentialities that enter
into the causal procession.
Jon Paul Wrote:You have given no evidence for this and you have not given evidence for the fact that the god conception you defend here, the RC version of an omnipotent, omnibenevolent creator of the universe, necessarily identifies with the non-contingent absolute you use here in your answer as a placeholder. If your god makes moral choices about what is good and what is right, as told in the bible, your god picks and selects certain moral tenets in favour of others. This act which he does from his own free will is contingent upon him. If he really is the absolute he necessarily encompasses all possible moral tenets and there is no such distinction as good moral and bad moral.(July 18, 2009 at 2:40 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote: This is a contradiction. If only god provides the absolute moral preceptives they are de facto dependent upon god.Only Gods noncontingent actuality can embody absolute morality, so they are not dependent upon any contingency, but sheerly a part of noncontingency.
(July 18, 2009 at 2:40 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote: if not only god provides these absolute moral preceptives they are independent upon god and we in fact do not need god to find absolute moral.Only Gods noncontingent actuality can embody absolute morality, so no, they are not independent upon the noncontingency, since they themselves are a part of noncontingency. They are not merely dependent on noncontingency either, since they are a part of it.
Please stop the verbal fuzz cloud and answer the question. How do you know that your god with his specific RC-characteristics that indicate choice of specifics identifies with the non-contingent absolute?
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Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0