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Atheism feels shunned...
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RE: Atheism feels shunned...
EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:All I'm saying is:

1. There's evidence for the physical.
But there is not enough evidence for the statement that all there is, is physical. Suggesting this with the above sentence is plain false.

EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:2. I know of no evidence to to the contrary.
If this is meant as an argument you of all should recognize it as a argumentam ad ignorantiam. Your ignorance cannot be evidence of anything.

EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:3. A failure of evidence for the physical doesn't give credence to the notion of something existing, that isn't physical.
Mental states are accessible for everyone through first-person experience. Mental states exist. They are no failure of evidence for the physical, rather physical properties fail to explain these phenomena sufficiently according to scientific standards. You therefore cannot, at the moment, conclude that mental states are physical states. The only possible conclusion is that these phenomena are unexplained from the physical and that they are to our current understanding of the word non-physical, i.e. immaterial.

EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:Therefore to claim that the non-physical exists is claiming an exception to the rest of the known universe, and without evidence , is special pleading.
Non-sequitur. Your conclusion does not follow from the premises. (1) is only suggestive for your conclusion but it fails to acknowledge that there are phenomena for which there is no explanation from physical properties, (2) is logically fallacious, (3) contains a twisted version of the fact that not all phenomena can be explained from the physical and concludes from this falsely that these phenomena necessarily are physical.

The existence of mental states is fact as is the fact that they are unexplained in the current physical model. The existence of mathematical truths is fact as is the fact that they are unexplained in the current physical model. Although there is sufficient evidence that mental states are dependent on the physical, there is not sufficient evidence that mental states are within physical explanation. There is sufficient evidence that mathematical truth are independent on the physical. The phenomena as such are therefore are (to our current understanding of the word 'physical') non-physical. Science should not claim what it cannot. Your caim that all that exists is physical is unsubstantiated and unscientific wishfull thinking.

So one question really:
Do you acknowledge that there are phenomena that the current scientific physical model of reality fails (to scientific standards) to explain, or not?
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
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Atheism feels shunned... - by Pippy - July 5, 2009 at 4:18 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Tiberius - July 5, 2009 at 4:28 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Faith Tester - July 17, 2009 at 1:43 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 17, 2009 at 1:48 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Faith Tester - July 17, 2009 at 1:50 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 17, 2009 at 1:55 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Faith Tester - July 17, 2009 at 1:58 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Eilonnwy - July 5, 2009 at 4:33 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by dagda - July 5, 2009 at 4:37 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by leo-rcc - July 5, 2009 at 4:43 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Rhizomorph13 - July 5, 2009 at 5:00 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Tsuyoiko - July 6, 2009 at 5:41 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by padraic - July 8, 2009 at 9:12 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Pippy - July 9, 2009 at 7:25 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 9, 2009 at 10:03 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 9, 2009 at 3:03 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by dagda - July 9, 2009 at 3:27 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 9, 2009 at 3:31 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 9, 2009 at 4:29 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 12, 2009 at 3:18 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 12, 2009 at 6:15 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 12, 2009 at 6:57 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 12, 2009 at 9:29 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 12, 2009 at 9:46 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 12, 2009 at 12:00 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 12, 2009 at 2:47 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2009 at 4:39 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 12, 2009 at 5:12 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2009 at 6:16 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 14, 2009 at 4:18 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 14, 2009 at 8:31 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 15, 2009 at 2:58 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 15, 2009 at 5:11 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 15, 2009 at 9:35 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Pippy - July 15, 2009 at 7:05 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 15, 2009 at 7:50 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Pippy - July 15, 2009 at 7:55 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 15, 2009 at 8:13 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 16, 2009 at 1:59 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 16, 2009 at 7:09 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 17, 2009 at 1:18 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 17, 2009 at 3:24 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 16, 2009 at 2:24 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 16, 2009 at 3:13 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 17, 2009 at 4:37 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 17, 2009 at 5:00 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 18, 2009 at 8:11 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 18, 2009 at 9:32 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 18, 2009 at 9:49 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 17, 2009 at 5:28 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 17, 2009 at 5:36 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 18, 2009 at 3:09 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 18, 2009 at 6:01 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 18, 2009 at 7:08 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 18, 2009 at 7:30 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 18, 2009 at 7:14 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 20, 2009 at 7:25 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 21, 2009 at 3:56 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 18, 2009 at 9:58 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Tiberius - July 18, 2009 at 10:01 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 18, 2009 at 11:52 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 18, 2009 at 10:07 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 18, 2009 at 10:10 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Dotard - July 20, 2009 at 7:06 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 18, 2009 at 10:15 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 18, 2009 at 11:23 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 18, 2009 at 12:12 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 18, 2009 at 1:13 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 18, 2009 at 4:29 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 20, 2009 at 5:49 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Tiberius - July 18, 2009 at 2:14 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 18, 2009 at 3:35 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 20, 2009 at 5:23 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 20, 2009 at 5:38 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 20, 2009 at 9:06 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 20, 2009 at 8:11 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 20, 2009 at 8:43 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 20, 2009 at 10:14 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 20, 2009 at 1:08 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 20, 2009 at 9:17 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 21, 2009 at 3:26 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 21, 2009 at 5:47 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 22, 2009 at 5:35 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 22, 2009 at 7:15 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 22, 2009 at 2:01 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 22, 2009 at 8:12 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 23, 2009 at 3:40 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 23, 2009 at 3:12 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 23, 2009 at 3:58 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 23, 2009 at 8:51 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 23, 2009 at 3:17 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 23, 2009 at 3:29 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 23, 2009 at 3:40 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 23, 2009 at 3:45 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 23, 2009 at 4:09 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 23, 2009 at 5:51 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 23, 2009 at 4:26 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 23, 2009 at 8:03 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 23, 2009 at 6:02 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 23, 2009 at 6:09 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 23, 2009 at 6:41 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 25, 2009 at 8:00 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 24, 2009 at 10:53 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 25, 2009 at 4:18 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 26, 2009 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 26, 2009 at 10:06 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 26, 2009 at 6:33 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by maldives - August 3, 2009 at 2:23 am

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