urge to pray - advice/help

[brotherlylove]

Ofcourse you would. That's just plain common sense. But then, you fundies don't have a lot of that.

An unknown enemy is far more dangerous than a misunderstood enemy. To reveal yourself to the world in any form instead of remaining forever hidden is to give up your greatest advantage and is the dumbest thing you could possibly do.

Like I said, truth with lies. That's how Satan succeeds. Not all things the bible tells you are good works are actually good works. Like th ebible tells you that going and preaching the message of god is a "good work", its not. That's a ploy by Satan to make you waste your time.

That's what you're doing right now.

Mission Fucking Accomplished. This is exactly what Satan wanted you to think. God is just, then he wouldn't just give you a pardon in form of his "son". Why should he have to bear the responsibilities for your sins.

Because God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.

Forgivness must be earned - Satan realized that and set about to deceive us all about how it could be earned. He came up with this wonderful story about how JC died for our sins and the pardon is simply out there - we just need to "accept it". Its brilliant. It plays at our greatest weakness - getting something for free. That's the bait and Satan's got you - hook, line and sinker. I mean come on, do you seriously believe that someone is going to give you "eternal happiness" just in exchange of believing in something? That's the greatest con job in the history.

Forgiveness can't be earned, that's the point. Our righteous deeds are filthy rags before a Holy God.

If there is a sin, it is the most heinous and corrupt of all mortal sins and the root of all others - the abdication of your mind and accepting something on faith.

The most heinous and corrupt sin is to reject Jesus Christ.

Oh, you poor deluded child. That is how Satan wants you to think. God wouldn't ask someone he loved to prove themselves to him. Can you imagine your mother saying to you "Pass this test or we are gonna kick you out"? Well, maybe you could.

It has nothing to do with proving yourself; on our own, no one can pass that test. We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

Besides, why would god love us all? What have we done to deserve it? We are his creation, his little experiment, trying to come up with the perfect little thing. Something that is smart, rational and doesn't take any shit. Anyone someone comes close to that, they're let into heaven. The others are simply destroyed. Cease to exist. That's what's gonna happen to you fundies, you know? We atheists will go to heaven, while you guys will simply cease to be - how's that for irony.

We haven't done anything to deserve Gods love. It is because of the abundance of His love, and mercy, that we have the opportunity to repent and be forgiven.

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This thread shows in high comic ways why xtians should not attempt to take their fairy tales on tour among the thinkers. The Satan foil has been just fantastic-and impossible to spoil.

It's based on the faulty premise that an unknown enemy is not more dangerous than a misunderstood enemy, which is patently false. It is not fantastic, it is simply ill-conceived.

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That would be a great line if so many people weren't christian. Tell me, exactly how did Satan convince the world that he doesn't exist when a very large chunk of the world believes that he does..yourself included? What Satan obviously has done is to fudge the specifics in order to entrap you.

Over 50 percent of American Christians believe that Satan is merely a symbol for evil. The vast majority of the world does not believe that Satan exists.

For something to be said to be between anything it must be bounded on at least two sides. Here I am, but unfortunately there is no god to border the other edge. So no, there's nothing between me and god. Just me, and then a vast stretch of emptiness beyond where your god is supposed to be. Maybe he took a lunch break?

God is upholding the atomic structure of your body at this very moment. If He took a lunch break everything would be destroyed.

No, I don't hate goodness or love, or where they come from. I actually don't hate your god either, no more than I hate Aaron or any other villian. What I hate is the realization that people such as yourself are willing to smile with teeth bared and propose tyranny as love, vindictiveness as mercy, and ransom as a gift. Helpful little werewolves, each and every one of you.

What you hate is the idea of a supreme authority that will ultimately hold you accountable.

Where did your god spirit come from then, somewhere..right? My opinions have very little to do with what someone else believes.

God is eternal, ie, He is and always was; ie, uncreated.

We're likely reading the same story. That you've decided to simply accept some things in the narrative that I have not is where we diverge.

So what is your take on it?

Probably about the same number as yourself. You know it's funny that you mention the ten commandments. My actions are as easily within the lines of those commandments as your own, even the ones that make specific mention of god (I'm hoping you'll just grant that I'm not a murderous, cheating, lying, thief btw). I don't have any gods before the judeo christian god (an amusing consequence of atheism) and I "keep" those commandments (as a consequence of simply being a decent person). You see, the trouble with god setting laws is that it becomes a contract, a sort of spiritual legal system. If god didn't wan't me gaming his laws he should have written them with more exacting or specific wording, because here I am, a godless heathen, and I can point to the contract at the pearly gates and say "Well, I don't care what you meant, this is what is written...now open up and get me a beer from the fridge okay sweetheart".

You are indeed violating the second commandment, and have more than a few false idols. Scientism and self would be two obvious ones. You claim human decency yet here you are making a sport out of mocking people; Is that something decent people do? I'll grant that you may be a *relatively* moral person in comparison to a Hitler, but in comparison to God you are deeply immoral, as we all are. As far as your example goes, God has made it clear what He expects of you. It obviously isn't something you are confused about.