I am an orthodox Christian, ask me a question!

[Jon Paul]

What concerns me is this is a type of presentation that propagates the very fault with Catholicism at the reformation. (ie Catholicism sought to hide the meaning of what was in fact very simple in the interest of amassing power at all levels, exactly what Jesus himself demonstrated the greatest anger towards in the temple. The holy of holies which Jesus smashed.)

Well, there is a place both for folkishness and for intellectual debates. That is what makes Catholicism great: that it is indeed universal, and capacitates not only peasants and not only aristocrats, and not only professors, but all of them on the same time.

In short, your answer is that you define your god as not contingent upon anything else because you see that defining him otherwise leads to logical contradiction. However eloquent it is a thoroughly unsatisfying answer because it does not adress the question HOW you KNOW this fact. You seem to conceive your own facts. This will not do as an argument because it is circular reasoning.

When you say "the vacuum cleaner in my house", it would lead to a self-contradiction of the very definiton of what that vacuum cleaner is to say it was in reality, a moon of Jupiter. That in no way proves that your vacuum cleaner exists, or that the moon of Jupiter does. That's not the issue at hand.

Like it would be a contradiction with the very definition of God to say that he is contingent upon something else. That in no way proves my concept of God to be true, and if you are now asking that question again as to what the evidence is for the truth of my conception of God, you are asking a question wholly irrelevant to that particular fact.