(July 24, 2009 at 8:24 am)Jon Paul Wrote:Firstly, the effect of prayer for health of patients in hospital has been tested with negative results. Not the patients themselves were praying but other people were praying for thge patients, so there is no selfishness involved here.(July 23, 2009 at 10:06 pm)freddo Wrote: While Hitler and his SS were killing so many people Christians the World over prayed for it to stop. It did stop eventually, after 12 to 14 million people had been killed because they were either Jewish, or homosexuals or had disabilities or were the wrong color. It stopped with Hitler's suicide. It didn't stop because of prayer.The other thing you don't seem to understand at all is the whole center of the biblical -Christian- view of history, which is this: God made everything, and made man. God made man the god of this world, by giving him freedom. Human freedom is what you seem to be unable to understand. God gave man the freedom to reject goodness, to reject God, or to accept it.
What you don't seem to get is that God made kid cancer that man is putting much effort in to cure. What is your reasonable explanation for that?
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0