(July 26, 2009 at 11:08 am)Jon Paul Wrote:Enough words, what is your answer to my question? To be more precisely what occured in reality which you can substantiate with clear evidence that connects the biblical god to omniscience, omnipotence, omnibenevolence, and to the whole of non-contingent actuality?(July 26, 2009 at 10:14 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote: OK, scripture is out the window. Then what exactly is your non-scriptural evidence that connects the biblical god to omniscience, omnipotence, omnibenevolence, and the whole of non-contingent actuality? Enlighten us.That is a viewpoint that I established specifically without any references to scripture.
I don't reject scripture, but I don't use it for a circle argument.
Scripture isn't itself an evidence that God exists, it's only in itself a record of what I believe to be the God that exists WORD, whose existence I establish wholly apart from scripture, and scriptures validity in this regard depends on the attestation of historically reliable facts. So scripture in and of itself is simply a record or collection of letters, not an evidence. It is what occured in reality that is the evidence.
Jon Paul Wrote:OK, let's do this step by step. Your claim is that the physical concepts you are presenting here as facts are verifiable from empirical observation in nature and from natural reason and that they fit your model of pure and impure actualities and potentialities. This implies you have deep knowledge of the concepts of space, time and causality. I therefore need to know exactly what you mean with your answer.(July 26, 2009 at 10:14 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote: And why should it fundamentally be part of causality?Because causality implies change/division/distance in the procession of the actualisation of potentials, that there is a division in the link between cause and effect.
1. How would you define causality? Are you referring to accidental causality, essential causality or stochastic causality?
2. You say causality implies change. IOW, if there is causality there is change. Do you mean there can be no uncaused change? And is this verified by empirical observation in nature?
4. You say causality implies division. IOW, if there is causality there is spatial and temporal division. Can there be no division without causality? Does this mean that simultaneous events cannot have a causal relation?
5. When observing the motion of a binary star system, which is the causing event and which is the resulting event?
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0