You Are Going To Hell If You....

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Jesus was speaking of the Roman soldiers, why, because they had no idea who He was, Christ asked the Father to forgive them of this act, not of all the sins in their lives.

That's totally irrelevant. He still forgave them for not knowing who he was. Thus it's ok to not believe that Jesus was God.

If he would forgive the Roman soldiers for that then he would surely forgive modern day non-believers just as easily on the very same grounds.

Jesus loved me enough to die on my behalf and I love Him because He first loved me. I have never portrayed Christ as hateful, you are the one who is distorting who He is.

Sure you did. You stated clearly in this very thread the following:

Yes, if you do not know Christ as your savior. No matter how bad or how good one may be without Christ as your savior hell is the last stop.

You have proclaimed right there that anyone who does not know Jesus as "the Christ" is bound for hell, no matter how good they might be.

So you are demanding that Jesus be a "Hateful Christ".

You are demanding who Jesus will and will not accept into his heavenly kingdom. And you are demanding this in spite of the fact that the bible clearly shows that Jesus was not like that at all.

So you are the one who is creating a "Hateful Christ" in Jesus.

Christ forgives those who accept Him as their savior, there is no other way under heaven to receive forgiveness of your sins, try all you want it will not happen.

You're telling lies about Jesus that cannot be supported by the Bible.

Clearly you can spit in Jesus' face, mock him, beat him to a pulp, and nail him to a pole and he will gladly forgive if you simply don't understand what you are doing.

We know that this is true for the bible tells us so.

Jesus forgave the men who crucified him based on Jesus' belief that they were not fully aware of what they were doing.

So to simply not understand, or to simply not believe that what you are doing is wrong, is sufficient reason to be forgiven.

This cannot be denied in the face of this biblical story.

The true culprits in Christ's crucifixion was the Jewish leaders of that time and Christ did not ask the Father to forgive them. To end this conversation, you are quite delusional.

No, Jesus would have had to forgive them too, on precisely the same grounds that he forgave the Roman Soldiers.

The Pharisees certainly didn't 'know' that Jesus was God. They too had to be acting on the assumption that he was indeed nothing more than a blasphemer. So they would not have known what they had done either, if Jesus truly was the son of God.

In fact, this is precisely why this hole fairy-tale can't even be made to work in the first place. Everything would necessarily need to be based on faith-based beliefs. And therefore anyone who simply didn't believe it would be immune to punishment or condemnation based on that simple fact alone. Because clearly Jesus has given everyone a full pardon who simply does not understand fully what they are doing.

And all judgment has been committed to Jesus by the Father.

So it's not required by Jesus that anyone believe in him on pure faith, or seek him out as their 'savior'. That's clearly no a requirement that Jesus demands of people.

You can mock him, beat him, and even nail him to a pole. If you honestly believe that he's not God, then he won't hold that against you.

We have no choice but accept that this is the case because the bible tells us so.

You are the one who is delusional if you think that you can continue to hold up Jesus as a "Hateful Christ" who demands to be recognized and worshiped lest he'll condemn people to hell.

Because clearly Jesus himself dose not support mentality according to these very scriptures.

You'd have to call Jesus a liar to maintain your position.

So you're the one who's delusional about your own hateful version of the religion.

Jesus does not support your position. For the Bible tells us so.