RE: Abstaining from Vaccination should NOT be a right
February 26, 2012 at 9:36 am
(This post was last modified: February 26, 2012 at 10:28 am by Phil.)
(February 26, 2012 at 12:16 am)Shell B Wrote: No she isn't. She just explained how vaccines work. She said people do not realize that a lot of vaccines are live viruses and our bodies have to create antibodies to fight it off. She wasn't saying your body does this without vaccines, which it actually can and does in many cases.
She is a misinformed medical professional. Most vaccines are NOT live viruses anymore. That pretty much went out of fashion 20 someodd years ago.
(February 25, 2012 at 5:05 pm)Shell B Wrote: Ahhh! Oh, gandalf, no. Making people wear badges?
If you're vaccinated and your children are vaccinated, no problem. Yes, I realize more virulent strains can form. However, that becomes unlikely if children who enter schools must be vaccinated. In a roundabout way, it ensures that everyone who isn't homeschooled is vaccinated.
Not at all Shell. Certain people can't be vaccinated ( such as a child with Leukemia) and they rely on the herd immunity to protect them. When one goes unvaccinated it lessens the entire herd immunity. Also, there are religious and philosophical objections and schools allow entrance.
(February 25, 2012 at 5:54 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Right, but now your telling me I have to wash my hands after I fuck my cow? Who are you to tell me what to do with my body? It's not like I'm going to catch anything from the cow, and whatever I could catch isn't likely to become a big deal for everyone. Where do you get off?n programs attempt to prevent. Let's imagine the worst, we have
Read about the discovery of the smallpox vaccine back in 1796. You might be quite surprised.
(February 25, 2012 at 6:02 pm)Melanbee Wrote: Oh this is such a hot topic for me and close to home. I elected this year to not vaccinate myself nor my children against influenza. However, I am vaccinated on almost everything out there. I work in an environment where it's not always possible to avoid germs. Actually, it's highly unlikely that no matter what precautions I would take I would be exposed to all sorts of germs. I work in the health care industry and therefore am exposed to all sorts of things at a higher exposure level than the average Joe. So I vaccinate against most things as I previously stated. I will not vaccinate against Influenza. That vaccination is based on LAST years virus. There are thousands of strains of influenza out there. I believe our elderly and our at risk population should be vaccinated. But how can you mandate something in one country that might not be a problem in another country? So when you say that the government should mandate it...which government are you referring to?
I don't believe the government has a right to step in and tell who they think should be vaccinated at this point. However, if there is an outbreak of something then perhaps I would change my mind. If you are pro vaccinations, then you will get your vaccine and be safe from those that do not get vaccinated. So what difference does it make to you?
The reason healthcare workers are advised to get that vaccine is NOT to protect them but to protect all the patients with weakened immunity, and the elderly and children weather they are patients or visitors. Same goes for food service workers but it isn't to protect patients with weakened immunity but their customers. Don't take this the wrong way but if you are not getting the flu vaccination for any reason other than an allergy to eggs, you are to selfish to be in healthcare. The flu vaccine is so important in a healthcare setting, some hospitals require it for employees. One gives you a 30 day lay off if you refuse, if you refuse when you return, you become unemployed.
(February 25, 2012 at 6:14 pm)Melanbee Wrote: Sit still how?I am perfectly aware of how diseases/viruses and bacteria's are transmitted. If you're saying people should be vaccinated to prevent transmission of the disease, then by default if you're vaccinated you prevented transmission. Correct? So why does it matter to you if someone who is not vaccinated exposes themselves to a disease? I am just curious as to what your rationale is.
Vaccines are not 100% effective Melanbee. There are also some people that can't be vaccinated (as is the case with Leukemia) that depend on others to be vaccinated.
(February 25, 2012 at 6:43 pm)Shell B Wrote:(February 25, 2012 at 6:41 pm)Melanbee Wrote: Both the CDC and the WHO agree that the first line of defense is hand hygiene.Vaccinations are helpful but not as effective as hygiene.
Ha! Take that!
Ok I will. The last sentence isn't entirely true. As the late Paul Harvey would say, now for the other side of the story. Hand hygiene, as far as washing with soap and water, is really a good way to prevent transmission of all sorts of disease causing bacteria that may find themselves on your hands. The problem comes when people think using a hand sanitizer is necessary. Use too often, as in most hospitals, actually encourages bacteria to evolve as more resistant strains. When they do (and they will), we have a case of thousands of unintentional Typhoid Marys causing all sorts of noscomial infections. The same thing will happen in the general population too if people continue to abuse hand sanitizers in the name of hygiene.
(February 25, 2012 at 7:21 pm)Shell B Wrote: my buddy just got the chicken pox from being vaccinated.
I'm not doubting your friend got the chickenpox after vaccination. What I will say is that unless the symptoms appeared 14-16 days AFTER the vaccination, he (or she) already had them considering the incubation period is 14-16 days.
It's the same thing when people, during flu season, claim they got the flu the day after (or hours after) being vaccinated for the flu. The incubation period is 2-5 days so they already were exposed. The same reasoning will eliminate most reports of vaccines causing what they are supposed to prevent.
