(February 26, 2012 at 12:09 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote:(February 25, 2012 at 6:37 pm)Melanbee Wrote: I immunize my children for everything except Influenza. That vaccination is just plain silly.
You are gravely misinformed, willfully ignorant, or plain stupid.
Influenza is not something to be ignored. I could list several flu pandemics, but part of me thinks you're too deluded to change your stupid beliefs despite the risks you are exposing your children to. Influenza is quite mutable and has similar tendencies to the common cold in hybridizing with other flues.
However, vaccines are still effective if the flu one catches has a root or parent that the vaccine was derived from.
To put it simply, the influenza vaccine knocks out a whole subfamily of influenza that the CDC determines as 'most common'. By extension, you are able to better fight off an influenza infection despite being in different cities, states, etc,.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H2N2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu
(February 25, 2012 at 6:37 pm)Melanbee Wrote: A lot of people do not recognize that some vaccinations are live viruses and you are actually injecting yourself with a virus that your body has to fight off. Our bodies develop antibodies to it off...and if we are successful in the fight we are now immune. Hence, why if you have had the chicken pox you do not need to be vaccinated.
You're indulging in a form of naturalistic fallacy, that our bodies will "take care of themselves" in creating antibodies.
I'd like to point out that people who caught polio either "develop antibodies to it off", after all polio has a 95% rate of doing nothing to infected patients.
The other 5% isn't so lucky -- here's a lucky one:
Also, "live viruses" in a vaccine are "attenuated" viruses. In other words, purposefully weakened and damaged viruses that posses the same signature as the harsh, nasty, virulent forms.
Furthermore, you can request a killed virues vaccine, which is mostly just virus parts to train your immune system to recognize. It doesn't imprint the signature of the virus into your immune systems memory (like an attenuated one would) because it's just a bunch of proteins instead of the whole virus capsid.
In other words, you're wrong.
Lucky for me you live where you live and I live where I live. Also, lucky for me you are not a doctor or a policy maker. Phew! So....in all actuality you opinion means jack crap to me. Calling me stupid doesn't hurt my feelings but apparently it makes you feel better about your stand. I do not feel a need to get on a forum and prove my point...which was never that we should not vaccinate. Again, had you read the previous post you would realize that I AM in favor of vaccinating. I do not vaccinate against the influenza because I was recently diagnoses with MS and have a weakened immune system as well. I have some sort of virus that has attacked my neurological system. Again, had you read the above posts you would have seen where I mentioned that I was at risk for developing Guillian-Barres (often times is acquired through being given a vaccination). My children are not vaccinated because their doctor, yes their doctor, has stated that they did not need it. My son was in the ICU this past fall and we discussed having him vaccinated. It was decided, by his ICU doctor, that he should not be vaccinated. Hmm....I guess he must be an idiot as well. I am not misinformed, I do my research and do what is best based on facts not philosophical ideology. So you can continue harping on me...because apparently that's what you do.
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