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The Right's true opposition to CRT?
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The Right's true opposition to CRT?
I wonder if the reason that social conservatives are opposed to CRT is that they want to maintain the idea that the federal courts should interpret the Constitution principally from the framework of the Founding Fathers (whose number ranges from 7 to 13, depending on which scholar one asks).  On the other hand, if historians can show (and, they have shown) that the Founding Fathers, while distinguished during their own time, nonetheless, had some ideas that the majority of individuals of our day would regard as being nutty, then the idea of the "textualist" view of the federal courts seems silly.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT?
(July 31, 2021 at 12:27 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I wonder if the reason that social conservatives are opposed to CRT is that they want to maintain the idea that the federal courts should interpret the Constitution principally from the framework of the Founding Fathers (whose number ranges from 7 to 13, depending on which scholar one asks).  On the other hand, if historians can show (and, they have shown) that the Founding Fathers, while distinguished during their own time, nonetheless, had some ideas that the majority of individuals of our day would regard as being nutty, then the idea of the "textualist" view of the federal courts seems silly.

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How many years do you pick at a scab until you decide to let a festering wound heal over?
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They wouldn't be able to define or describe crt. It's a dogwhistle campaign - not a principled rejection of a thing that's actually happening.
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RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT?
(July 31, 2021 at 12:27 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I wonder if the reason that social conservatives are opposed to CRT is that they want to maintain the idea that the federal courts should interpret the Constitution principally from the framework of the Founding Fathers (whose number ranges from 7 to 13, depending on which scholar one asks).  On the other hand, if historians can show (and, they have shown) that the Founding Fathers, while distinguished during their own time, nonetheless, had some ideas that the majority of individuals of our day would regard as being nutty, then the idea of the "textualist" view of the federal courts seems silly.

Re the bit I bolded; they can't even get that right. For example it is clear as day that the founding fathers vested the rights in the second amendment in the states and not in individuals, hence the "well regulated militia" clause. Also despite what "originalists" think, the first amendment doesn't privilege christianity, it tells all religions to butt out of secular business and the state will not impose its will on them.
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RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT?
(July 31, 2021 at 4:40 pm)Nomad Wrote:
(July 31, 2021 at 12:27 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I wonder if the reason that social conservatives are opposed to CRT is that they want to maintain the idea that the federal courts should interpret the Constitution principally from the framework of the Founding Fathers (whose number ranges from 7 to 13, depending on which scholar one asks).  On the other hand, if historians can show (and, they have shown) that the Founding Fathers, while distinguished during their own time, nonetheless, had some ideas that the majority of individuals of our day would regard as being nutty, then the idea of the "textualist" view of the federal courts seems silly.

Re the bit I bolded; they can't even get that right.  For example it is clear as day that the founding fathers vested the rights in the second amendment in the states and not in individuals, hence the "well regulated militia" clause.  Also despite what "originalists" think, the first amendment doesn't privilege christianity, it tells all religions to butt out of secular business and the state will not impose its will on them.

I point out the Treaty of Tripoli to such folks:


Quote:Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Wikipedia: Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT?
(July 31, 2021 at 1:24 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: How many years do you pick at a scab until you decide to let a festering wound heal over?

If only ignoring the festering wound would allow it to heal over in this case. We tried that for half a century and it failed to work.
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You get me all excited for a thread about the gory of Cathode Ray Tubes only to bring me down with more boring american politics? BAH!
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RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT?
(July 31, 2021 at 1:24 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: How many years do you pick at a scab until you decide to let a festering wound heal over?

You can't let it heal over by pretending it didn't happen.
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RE: The Right's true opposition to CRT?
As long as those who wield power have dark secrets to protect, opposition will be their default stance on any proposal deemed hazardous to said secrets.
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