(August 11, 2009 at 7:03 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Bozo,
I would settle for much less to prove that prayer worked. For example I could flip a coin 100 times while he prayed for heads, and if heads showed up more than could be accounted for by random chance... prayer would be proven.
We already established that what Pippy calls "prayer" is actually just "meditation", well in my own mental model.
Rhizo
Actually hallucination, even mass hallucination/mistaken illusion/delusion of some sort is far more probable.
Because, for a start - it's already happened before, like when 70,000 people in Portugal, Fatima claimed to have seen the sun crash to the earth.
Supernatural things such as that are far more improbable than any form of delusion, even mass delusion.
(August 12, 2009 at 7:47 am)Pippy Wrote: If I prayed and got healed, is it only about 30% due to the placebo effect, and the other 70% is real God-in-a-bottle?
No, because there almost certaintly is no God. Unless you can somehow magicially evidence him for me.
And similarly to what I said above, if you somehow magically showed me God, I'd be more likely to be hallucinating. Of course you don't claim that to be possible yourself, because God has no shape or form, he's invisible and intangible, etc, etc, etc ...(how convient
(and pointless and useless and gratuitious)).EvF
