(August 12, 2009 at 2:46 pm)Jon Paul Wrote: Mind is simply the English term for a knowing or thinking entity. In other words, a nous, or an intellect.
I know what mind is...
The point is that whether you call it mind or not makes no difference. You say that the fact that I detect the objective subjectively is 'irrelevant', what's relevant is that I'm a 'mind'. You simply assert that I'm a 'mind'. You could just as easily assert that I'm a 'body'.
You could say that I'm a body with a mind, or a mind with a body, either way - the words you choose to describe exactly the same thing makes no difference.
When you say that I'm 'a mind', You have not given any evidence for this. I have a mind, yes - in the sense of a brain. And I also have a body, in which the brain is part of, whether you call that a 'mind' or not, or whether you call that 'mental' or 'physical'. We still actually have evidence of exactly the same things.
Now - me in my entirety, you can say that I'm simply a 'mind', yeah. But what does that even mean? The fact you say I'm a 'mind' what does that actually change? What are you describing? I still have feet and arms and legs, etc, etc - how am I not physical? What are you actually 'on about'?
You could just as easily say "Ah, but the fact that you understand subjectively is irrelevant, what really matters is the fact that you are a purple cabbage" - by simply saying I'm a 'mind', once again - what are you actually on about? I know what a mind is.
Quote:What it means? It means you have failed to substantiate your claim that "objective truth exists independently of us (..)
I have already answered this:
EvF Wrote:[...]We don't have to absoutely demonstrate or know that the universe exists objectiively. Actually, it's not just that we don't have to - we can't! As subjective minds we can't absolutely know or absolutely demonstrate. Because for all we know - we could still be wrong.
From my own personal experience, I have grown up realizing - like others - that life is logical and things make sense. I have my own evidence of logic and rationality in the universe....
[...]You can't know beyond your own subjectivity, and if you are unsatisfied with that, tough. Unless you can somehow magically demonstrate otherwise to me.
Furthermore: Truth and logic can be measured in our own heads (at least potentially in principle) in the sense of how we understand what's true or not. Truth and logic itself doesn't exist outside our heads, but it's true whether something exists or not outside our heads (and also true inside of course).
Truth and logic are not things that exist in and of themselves, they are tools and concepts. Stuff either exists or doesn't, it's true that it does or doesn't....so truth and logic doesn't have to exist in itself - only the things we are talking about whether they are 'true' or rather, real or not - in other words whether they exist or not.
EvF
