(August 12, 2009 at 6:33 pm)Jon Paul Wrote: Whether I call you a mind, a brain, or a body, is irrelevant to the fact that you are a thinking and knowing intellect capable of intellection, or that you derive your knowledge of logic and truth from that fact of intellection and conceptual realisation. That I call you a mind or not is not an actual premise for the argument I made, and thus, you have failed to refute my argument.
No I haven't -once again, you said:
JP Wrote:It means you have failed to substantiate your claim that "objective truth exists independently of us (..)
And, as I said:
EvF Wrote:I have already answered this:
EvF Wrote:[...]We don't have to absoutely demonstrate or know that the universe exists objectiively. Actually, it's not just that we don't have to - we can't! As subjective minds we can't absolutely know or absolutely demonstrate. Because for all we know - we could still be wrong.
From my own personal experience, I have grown up realizing - like others - that life is logical and things make sense. I have my own evidence of logic and rationality in the universe....
[...]You can't know beyond your own subjectivity, and if you are unsatisfied with that, tough. Unless you can somehow magically demonstrate otherwise to me.
I don't have to prove objective truth to exist. The fact I experience this world subjectively, and the personal experience and the evidence I have of its rationality and logic - is enough, it will have to do. Why? Because that's also all anyone else has access to, yourself included. We can only know things through our own subjectivity. Unless you can evidence me otherwise.
EvF
