Old Testament & Christian Morality

[Drich]

The "faith alone" and "once saved, always saved" doctrines are morally bankrupt. Saying you believe in Jesus as YPL&S is not a get-out-of-hell-free card. Works are meritorious because faith by itself is nothing at all unless put into practice.

Where in my post did I say anything to contrdict any of this?

The Word says that even the angels are unclean before God.

Where? Book Chapter and Verse please.

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"Till ALL is fulfilled," asshole.

Your boy isn't back yet to establish his kingdom.


Nor is he coming.



Nor was he here the first time.

What the passage is saying is that ALL Aspects of the Law are still applicable Meaning if one wants to find righteousness it has to be through the atonement offered in Christ's sacrifice. Not through the strict adherence of the Law.

To put it even more simply:
Christ took the Law to it's perfect complete level Making it So hard to adhere to that no one can. That is what is mean not the least aspect of the Law will disappear until ALL IS FULL FILLED! Christ did not make it easier, by eliminating anything, He made it Harder to live righteously through the Law by adding precepts that make it impossible. Forcing Everyone to seek another way to obtain righteousness. Because it can no longer be found by "being a good person."

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JESUS FAILED TO FULFILL ANY OF SIX AUTHENTIC JEWISH MESSIANIC CRITERIA

The word “messiah” means anointed with oil.

No, the word is mashiyach (מָשִׁיחַ ) It can mean any number of things depending on the context.
1) anointed, anointed one

a) of the Messiah, Messianic prince

b) of the king of Israel

c) of the high priest of Israel

d) of Cyrus

e) of the patriarchs as anointed kings

All kings, high priests, and prophets in the Jewish Bible are described as “messiahs” because they were all anointed with oil into God’s service.

Again no. It means anointed by God of which oil can represent when God himself does not do the anointing.

Many Jewish prophets foretold that a particular messiah, the Messiah Ben David, would appear and fulfill six major prophecies that will lead the world into a special Messianic Era.

Do you have book chapter and verse for these prophecies?

These messianic criteria are and have always been universally accepted by the Jewish People. Jesus did not qualify as the Jewish Messiah Ben David for the simple reason that he did not fulfill any of these criteria. The Messiah Ben David must:

The term is Bar (Son of) David

1. have the correct genealogy by being descended from King David and King Solomon,

His Mother's is given in Luke and His Legal lineage is Found in Matthew.(through Joseph)

2. be anointed King of Israel,

He was anointed By the Holy Spirit at the time of His baptism. (No oil needed when God does the anointing) Aberham and Moses went through a similar annointing process.

3. return the Jewish People to Israel,

At that time they were still there, in Israel.

4. rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem,

At that time Herod's temple was complete and was not destroyed for another 70+ years by the romans. You or your rabbi seem to be quoting passages from revelations/Daniel about the second comming.

5. bring peace to the world and end all war,

Do you have Book Chapter and verse for this one?

6. bring knowledge of God to the world.

He did unless you think Christianity does not exist.

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The "faith alone" and "once saved, always saved" doctrines are morally bankrupt. Saying you believe in Jesus as YPL&S is not a get-out-of-hell-free card. Works are meritorious because faith by itself is nothing at all unless put into practice.

Where in my post did I say anything to contrdict any of this?

The Word says that even the angels are unclean before God.

Where? Book Chapter and Verse please.

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"Till ALL is fulfilled," asshole.

Your boy isn't back yet to establish his kingdom.


Nor is he coming.



Nor was he here the first time.

What the passage is saying is that ALL Aspects of the Law are still applicable Meaning if one wants to find righteousness it has to be through the atonement offered in Christ's sacrifice. Not through the strict adherence of the Law.

To put it even more simply:
Christ took the Law to it's perfect complete level Making it So hard to adhere to that no one can. That is what is mean not the least aspect of the Law will disappear until ALL IS FULL FILLED! Christ did not make it easier, by eliminating anything, He made it Harder to live righteously through the Law by adding precepts that make it impossible. Forcing Everyone to seek another way to obtain righteousness. Because it can no longer be found by "being a good person."

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JESUS FAILED TO FULFILL ANY OF SIX AUTHENTIC JEWISH MESSIANIC CRITERIA

The word “messiah” means anointed with oil.

No, the word is mashiyach (מָשִׁיחַ ) It can mean any number of things depending on the context.
1) anointed, anointed one

a) of the Messiah, Messianic prince

b) of the king of Israel

c) of the high priest of Israel

d) of Cyrus

e) of the patriarchs as anointed kings

All kings, high priests, and prophets in the Jewish Bible are described as “messiahs” because they were all anointed with oil into God’s service.

Again no. It means anointed by God of which oil can represent when God himself does not do the anointing.

Many Jewish prophets foretold that a particular messiah, the Messiah Ben David, would appear and fulfill six major prophecies that will lead the world into a special Messianic Era.

Do you have book chapter and verse for these prophecies?

These messianic criteria are and have always been universally accepted by the Jewish People. Jesus did not qualify as the Jewish Messiah Ben David for the simple reason that he did not fulfill any of these criteria. The Messiah Ben David must:

The term is Bar (Son of) David

1. have the correct genealogy by being descended from King David and King Solomon,

His Mother's is given in Luke and His Legal lineage is Found in Matthew.(through Joseph)

2. be anointed King of Israel,

He was anointed By the Holy Spirit at the time of His baptism. (No oil needed when God does the anointing) Aberham and Moses went through a similar annointing process.

3. return the Jewish People to Israel,

At that time they were still there, in Israel.

4. rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem,

At that time Herod's temple was complete and was not destroyed for another 70+ years by the romans. You or your rabbi seem to be quoting passages from revelations/Daniel about the second comming.

5. bring peace to the world and end all war,

Do you have Book Chapter and verse for this one?

6. bring knowledge of God to the world.

He did unless you think Christianity does not exist.

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I have heard that the new testament replaced the old testament. That is why it doesn't apply. Not sure where that idea comes from.

The new testament is the continuation of the old. The Old was to establish who God is, the identification of sin and consequence, and to predict the coming salvation/redemption of sins offered by the Messiah. In the new we have the full fillment of said prophecies, the story of the Messiah, the Gospel the establishment of the Church and the promise of his return. The whole bible tells one story in two parts.

Two sides of the same coin.

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I have heard that the new testament replaced the old testament. That is why it doesn't apply. Not sure where that idea comes from.

A basic Christian apologist position. It came from Paul of Tarsus. He invented the religion called Christianity more than any other single person,including the poor little Jewish teacher who got himself crucified.(according to Christian mythology)

As I've mentioned today; Jesus admonished his followers to KEEP THE LAW.(Matthew 5 17-19)

Of course the predictable apologist response is that section doesn't actually mean what it says.

One needs to remember that the Bible is the revealed word of God and means exactly what it says,except when it doesn't.

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Who were the scribes and Pharisees Jesus mention here?