(March 24, 2012 at 9:07 pm)Christian Wrote: Sovereignty is God's absolute and exclusive right to exercise authority in the universe (I Chron 29:11-12; I Sam 2:6-8; Psalm 50:10-11). Thus God has absolute authority over my freewill, and thus my reason to believe in God despite my freewill. Freewill is meant to be free to do whatever you want, but not forgetting God and his authority over all mankind.
You better throw out God's omniscience then. I assume you are aware of the argument from free will and omniscience.
In short;
1. If God is omniscient, he knows all things
2. We have free will, defined by being able to make an uncoerced choice between alternatives.
3. For free will to exist, there must be uncertainty about what choice you will make.
4. Uncertainty implies doubt about the outcome.
5. An omniscient God cannot doubt about the outcome.
5. Therefore an omniscient God does not exist.
Now the natural criticism is that knowing you will do something, is not the same as coercion, however, it then brings into question why he is asking you to "choose" to follow Jesus if he knows you will not. From birth God is aware you are doomed to hell, regardless of the choices you make, for he is aware of all things, especially your mind. Jesus made it very clear thought crime is punishable as well.
So we are left begging that God is omniscient only up to the point a decision is made. Which means the classic view that he sees all time at once is wrong, not only that but begs the question, that he is not all powerful either as a paradox.
Quote: Something similar to what you guys believe... something came from nothing... when it was nothing. So free should also not mean free in every context.
Only theists claim that, creatio ex nihilo. Also, non-belief in God does not necessitate a belief in how things were created. The standard answer is simply "I don't know", which theists love because it means they can say "Ah Ha, God Did It", which commits a major logical fallacy known as the God of the Gaps.
Self-authenticating private evidence is useless, because it is indistinguishable from the illusion of it. ― Kel, Kelosophy Blog
If you’re going to watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo. That show was so cool because every time there’s a church with a ghoul, or a ghost in a school. They looked beneath the mask and what was inside?
The f**king janitor or the dude who runs the waterslide. Throughout history every mystery. Ever solved has turned out to be. Not Magic. ― Tim Minchin, Storm
If you’re going to watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo. That show was so cool because every time there’s a church with a ghoul, or a ghost in a school. They looked beneath the mask and what was inside?
The f**king janitor or the dude who runs the waterslide. Throughout history every mystery. Ever solved has turned out to be. Not Magic. ― Tim Minchin, Storm
