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Arguments Against Miracles
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RE: Arguments Against Miracles
(March 24, 2012 at 5:12 pm)mediamogul Wrote:
(March 24, 2012 at 4:55 pm)Christian Wrote: I believe that miracles were common during the biblical time. Well, that's what my Pastor told me. Miracles do still happen, but not so often. Could be men is so sinful now that miracles now only happen to the righteous.

Wait. As opposed to the time when men were so sinful god drowned the entire earth? According to the bible stories men were plenty "sinful" back then too. The reason accounts of miracles are less common now is because we understand how the world actually works so don't misinterpret natural phenomena and also people aren't as gullible and superstitious. Well most.

What miracles was God doing during Noah's time.

(March 24, 2012 at 5:06 pm)rationalnick Wrote: Also, I was disturbed by his rationalization about the laws of thermodynamics... He made the argument that the law states that in any process, the total energy of the universe remains the same. This is the law that states that states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. However, he somehow made the logical jump to assume that the universe is not a closed system, and that, therefore, god can interfere and manipulate various elements of the universe without violating any of the natural laws because he is outside of the system. This to me makes no sense, but how you you create a cogent argument that shows to a person who believes this that it just isn't a rational argument?

God is outside his creation, He does interact within it, miracles are by definition unnatural. God being creator does not have to obey the laws that man places on this universe. What God does is not magic, it is for all intent and purpose manipulating his creation in any way He desires. Let's say for arguments sake that you entertain the thought God created the universe, how would He have done it, please be reasonable and leave out things like a magic wand.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Arguments Against Miracles - by rationalnick - March 24, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Phil - March 24, 2012 at 3:55 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by rationalnick - March 24, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Phil - March 24, 2012 at 4:15 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Cyberman - March 24, 2012 at 4:11 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by mediamogul - March 24, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by rationalnick - March 24, 2012 at 4:23 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Christian - March 24, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Nine - March 24, 2012 at 4:59 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Phil - March 24, 2012 at 5:02 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Nine - March 24, 2012 at 5:03 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Christian - March 24, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Nine - March 24, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Tobie - March 24, 2012 at 5:34 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by mediamogul - March 24, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Godschild - March 26, 2012 at 5:56 am
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Phil - March 26, 2012 at 6:33 am
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by NoMoreFaith - March 26, 2012 at 7:22 am
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by padraic - March 24, 2012 at 6:28 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by rationalnick - March 24, 2012 at 5:06 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Cyberman - March 24, 2012 at 5:07 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Minimalist - March 24, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Cyberman - March 24, 2012 at 5:41 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by rationalnick - March 24, 2012 at 5:44 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Logic - March 24, 2012 at 5:56 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Cyberman - March 24, 2012 at 6:33 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by rationalnick - March 24, 2012 at 6:42 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by mediamogul - March 24, 2012 at 10:29 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by padraic - March 24, 2012 at 8:03 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Cyberman - March 24, 2012 at 8:07 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by padraic - March 24, 2012 at 8:19 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Cyberman - March 24, 2012 at 8:21 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Minimalist - March 24, 2012 at 8:30 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by rationalnick - March 24, 2012 at 9:40 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Minimalist - March 24, 2012 at 10:47 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Faith No More - March 25, 2012 at 4:42 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by KichigaiNeko - March 26, 2012 at 6:15 am
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Godschild - March 26, 2012 at 6:23 am
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Zen Badger - March 26, 2012 at 6:29 am
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by KichigaiNeko - March 26, 2012 at 6:32 am
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Godschild - March 27, 2012 at 6:27 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2012 at 8:26 am
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2012 at 6:32 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by Minimalist - March 27, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RE: Arguments Against Miracles - by KichigaiNeko - March 28, 2012 at 1:39 am

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