(August 14, 2009 at 3:41 pm)Jon Paul Wrote:(August 14, 2009 at 3:31 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: I'm a dishonest person when all you can do is argue with fancy words and not empirical evidence? Come on, you can do better than that.When you claim I've implied things I obviously didn't imply. As for not having empirical evidence, even though you may not know it, large parts of my argument from potential/actual realities and existents depends solely upon knowledge that cannot be obtained in a non-empirical way.
(August 14, 2009 at 3:31 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: Until you can produce evidence that's supports what you say, then every argument you present is just your own assertion and nothing more.Right, my "own assertion". It happens to be built on something far more than my own assertions; it happens to be built on a fundamental recognition of workings of reality which has been developed in the Aristotelian (and other) traditions over a thousand year long period, leading up to the development of modern science within Christendom. I'd love to see you dispute that potencies and actualities are words without meanings by the way, and that they don't really apply to reality. If you do so, you are contradicting what we know most fundamentally and talking nonsense, just to substantiate your idea that my claims are only "assertions" without meaning.
I never said your words have no meanings, I only ever said that you apply them in a way that ends up to be circular reasoning.
Also, I never denied Arisotle's laws of logic and so forth. I completely agree with them and I have no problem with them at all. All I have ever said is that you completely fail to show how this logic absolutely proves that god exists, and even if you did you cannot possibly make the leap from god exists to the Christian god exists.
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin
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