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The Problem of Infinite Aspects
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RE: The Problem of Infinite Aspects
(March 29, 2012 at 3:35 pm)NoMoreFaith Wrote: The concepts of omnipotence et al are orthodox absolutely, it is very much this I am poking. More importantly, I am poking the claim that anyone can "ABSOLUTELY KNOW God is has infinite aspect A,B, or C".
As a heretic I oppose orthodoxy in most areas, in this particular case I would only argue for omnipotence (in my forthcoming ‘problem of evil’ post) by shifting this attribute towards something like ‘most powerful’ or ‘the power within all’. I need to think about it more. More directly to your point, I find that the always certain are often wrong. Some things are self-evident like reality and qualia, but beyond that it’s all just our best guess, i.e. what can be reasonably inferred.
(March 29, 2012 at 3:35 pm)NoMoreFaith Wrote: No physical manifestations, no objectively proven miracles
I’m not sure those criteria could be met to the complete satisfaction. Presented by an apparent miracle, a skeptic could still say, ‘it must have a natural cause not yet discovered’.
(March 29, 2012 at 3:35 pm)NoMoreFaith Wrote: In argument 4, an immortal man is not truly eternal. By being a man, his eternity started at a finite point. The eternal metaphysical God however, the eternity goes both ways, there can be no finite start point.
You are describing infinite regress in both directions. Given all that you have said, what is your proposed alternate? If not infinity, then what is the alternative?
(March 29, 2012 at 3:35 pm)NoMoreFaith Wrote: …anybody describing their experience internally about God, MUST rely on lies, exaggeration, or taking the voices word for it. The proof I am attempting with this argument is that NOBODY has even private evidence of God…
An internal experience is still a real experience. The trick is determining if what is apparent accurately reflects what actually is.
(March 29, 2012 at 3:35 pm)NoMoreFaith Wrote: …even if he exists or not, he is impotent to convince anyone of his power.
I’ve heard this assertion on other threads. If you are compelled to believe something, then you lose the ability to reason from experience. You’re asking God to take away your rational capacity. If you lack the capacity to reason you cease to be human in any meaningful sense.
(March 29, 2012 at 3:35 pm)NoMoreFaith Wrote: It can be proved your internal experience is not evidence even to yourself, even if you really are talking to God. Any claim that you have private internal evidence for God, is a fallacy, as all his powers are inherently unknowable (the proof of the argument), and therefore definitely indistinguishable from delusion and should therefore not be dismissed as such.… is unreasonable to claim that private subjective evidence is actually evidence. You can never prove, even to yourself, that you are not delusional, regardless of your claim. The question an atheist must ask, is whether it is fair to dismiss any argument from private experience. The answer is definitely yes.
People can indeed be delusional and out of touch with reality. But you are begging the question. You assume beforehand that such experiences must be a delusion when that is the point of contention.
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The Problem of Infinite Aspects - by NoMoreFaith - March 29, 2012 at 5:51 am
RE: The Problem of Infinite Aspects - by genkaus - March 29, 2012 at 6:39 am
RE: The Problem of Infinite Aspects - by NoMoreFaith - March 29, 2012 at 7:29 am
RE: The Problem of Infinite Aspects - by genkaus - March 29, 2012 at 7:49 am
RE: The Problem of Infinite Aspects - by Neo-Scholastic - March 29, 2012 at 2:18 pm
RE: The Problem of Infinite Aspects - by NoMoreFaith - March 29, 2012 at 3:35 pm
RE: The Problem of Infinite Aspects - by Neo-Scholastic - March 29, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RE: The Problem of Infinite Aspects - by NoMoreFaith - March 29, 2012 at 7:02 pm
RE: The Problem of Infinite Aspects - by Neo-Scholastic - March 29, 2012 at 7:37 pm
RE: The Problem of Infinite Aspects - by MysticKnight - March 29, 2012 at 9:27 pm
RE: The Problem of Infinite Aspects - by mediamogul - March 29, 2012 at 11:25 pm
RE: The Problem of Infinite Aspects - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2012 at 1:08 am

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