RE: I am an orthodox Christian, ask me a question!
August 16, 2009 at 8:02 pm
(This post was last modified: August 16, 2009 at 8:03 pm by Jon Paul.)
(August 16, 2009 at 5:52 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Wasn't it you that said you couldn't say some things without resorting to the psychobabble you use?It's only psychobabble if you don't understand it, aren't willing to spend time or energy to understand it, or are just looking for an excuse to discount it without engaging the substance in it.
(August 16, 2009 at 6:55 pm)chatpilot Wrote: Regarding the epistles JP you said:"They are not irrelevant. Anything that attests to his existence, and even internally refers to other texts which do document his life is relevant."They attest to other documents which are not the Gospels, (some unknown ones, and perhaps Q) which some of the Gospels also attest to, which therefore predate the Gospels and attest to an even earlier written record of Jesus existence.
They don't attest to his existence since most of the epistles are meant to be either exhortation or doctrinal instruction to the various churches in existence at the time.When it comes to the earthly life and existence of Christ the only "reliable" sources are the synoptic gospels and I use the word reliable very loosely in this sentence.They are meant to be accounts of his earthly ministry and existence.His existence in the spiritual realm is irrelevant to me because there is no way to prove that a so called spiritual realm exist thus putting Jesus in the realm of myth where he belongs.This so called transcendental objective worldview is nothing more than primitive mythological thinking based on fear of the unknown.
(August 16, 2009 at 5:52 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Christianity does not impose this requirement on its adherents.Because it's not needed today. It was needed before the widespread literacy of today. Jews did it, and Christianity began with Jews, and with the Jewish practice of oral tradition.
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