(April 3, 2012 at 5:32 am)FallentoReason Wrote:Godschild Wrote:In prison away from his family and could have been treated badly. Would you fight for a lie that would result in that kind of treatment.I think you're describing Paul....
You realise that the NT only tells us about the deaths of only two disciples? The rest of the stories come from 'church tradition'. This is the same 'church tradition' that gave names to the Gospels some centuries later after being written. In other words, no proof of them dying martyrs... not one.
No one can prove or disprove for certain the writers of the gospels are who they say they are. The church tradition can be reliable and again you can not disprove it. John was in prison on the Isle of Patmos, Rev.1:9 and you did not answer my question about dying for a lie.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
