(August 17, 2009 at 7:58 pm)Jon Paul Wrote: I can provide evidence whose source is contemporary, yes. Can I provide a document which is carbon-14 dated from 10 A.D. attesting to Jesus existence? No. Can I provide a document from 10 B.C. attesting to many other historical personages from the same time? No. It's irrelevant and special pleading to use that as an excuse to deny Jesus existence in specific, while not denying historical validty of many other ancient evidences generally taken to be valid by historians and scholars. Per historical method, we can know the existence of many historical persona without having, if there was contemporary record, the original contemporary document or souce material that exists itself, but by having sources which are a) containing earlier sources information which is either contemporary or close to, b) generally speaking by the source material written by persons who lived contemporarily with the person in question.
So in short, no. However, Nice fancy hand-waving there.
By the way, there is contemporary evidence for other historical figures at the time, like Caeser and Herod. We can conclusively know for a fact that they exist. Yet we cannot have contemporary evidence for someone who was supposedly known to have performed miracles and raise people from the dead? Absolutely none of his supposed apostles wrote anything down? No historian bothered to mention a man who was executed for being the king of the Jews? I know it was 2 thousand years ago, but historians did exist at the time, why do we have absolutely no account of Jesus until 40 years after he is claimed to have died?
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin
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