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We should take the Moral Highground
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RE: We should take the Moral Highground
(April 5, 2012 at 8:15 am)genkaus Wrote: Actually, 3 is an invalid conclusion. Empathy may be a by-product of evolution - that does not mean it inherits all of evolution's characteristics.
Then the question becomes this. From where does the 'moral sense' get its character? What allows DP to say that things like empathy and fair play are right? DP wants to say that we should follow the dictates of our inner sense of right and wrong. Why? DP says there's a survival benefit.

My point is that the survival benefit is at the genetic level, not the individual. Animals are really just gene delivery devices. Once the genetic information has been passed along, evolution doesn't care if you die. If lying, cheating, stealing, and yes raping, work as a strategy for leaving a genetic legacy then an evolution-based morality is really no morality at all.
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We should take the Moral Highground - by Gooders1002 - April 1, 2012 at 7:50 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Phil - April 1, 2012 at 9:08 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Phil - April 1, 2012 at 9:31 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Gooders1002 - April 1, 2012 at 10:59 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Napoléon - April 1, 2012 at 11:08 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by elunico13 - April 5, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by KichigaiNeko - April 1, 2012 at 11:19 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by padraic - April 2, 2012 at 4:11 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Matt231 - April 2, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Tobie - April 2, 2012 at 3:26 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Minimalist - April 2, 2012 at 7:15 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Tobie - April 2, 2012 at 5:21 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Bgood - April 2, 2012 at 5:36 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by mediamogul - April 2, 2012 at 5:41 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by DeistPaladin - April 5, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by mediamogul - April 2, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by padraic - April 2, 2012 at 7:11 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by padraic - April 3, 2012 at 7:43 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by zip_ster - April 3, 2012 at 9:24 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by genkaus - April 3, 2012 at 11:41 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by DeistPaladin - April 4, 2012 at 11:27 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by DeistPaladin - April 5, 2012 at 12:06 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by genkaus - April 5, 2012 at 8:15 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Neo-Scholastic - April 5, 2012 at 8:48 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by genkaus - April 5, 2012 at 8:06 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Bgood - April 4, 2012 at 9:13 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Tempus - April 5, 2012 at 11:03 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Tempus - April 5, 2012 at 2:10 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by mediamogul - April 5, 2012 at 4:41 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by mediamogul - April 5, 2012 at 5:39 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by DeistPaladin - April 5, 2012 at 11:23 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by DeistPaladin - April 5, 2012 at 11:27 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by DeistPaladin - April 5, 2012 at 12:03 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Welsh cake - April 5, 2012 at 4:57 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Welsh cake - April 5, 2012 at 6:04 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by padraic - April 5, 2012 at 7:46 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by padraic - April 6, 2012 at 12:17 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Welsh cake - April 6, 2012 at 8:30 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by DeistPaladin - April 6, 2012 at 10:39 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by mediamogul - April 6, 2012 at 10:51 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Tempus - April 6, 2012 at 10:50 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by mediamogul - April 6, 2012 at 2:25 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by mediamogul - April 6, 2012 at 8:10 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by mediamogul - April 6, 2012 at 10:44 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Reforged - April 6, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by padraic - April 8, 2012 at 8:44 pm

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