I am an orthodox Christian, ask me a question!

[omjag86]

He told me nothing I haven't heard before or didn't already know of, so no, it has not been "debunked". You give only a continuous attestation to the fact that you will support anyone who supports your viewpoint by attacking mine. You provide no arguments, no refutation, yet anyone who supports your view is right.

I cannot present any type of logical argument to someone who is unaware of their own beliefs being fiction and not fact.
My hope in debating you would be to show you that your beliefs are just that, beliefs. You told us early on you were here to sharpen your skills, and forgive me if I'm not quoting you exactly, but what skills it seems you are sharpening here are how to overpower people with your beliefs.

I am not supporting anyone who supports my viewpoint by attacking you, I am attempting (and obviously I am failing miserably) to show you when, in the course of your debate, you attempt to assert your beliefs as a fact, for example that God is an intellegent being; I in my agnostisicm actually support your theory of a supreme intelligence pouring itself (as you say) into all life all the time, the difference between us is I know that this is a belief that try as I might, I cannot factually prove. (It makes me feel good to think it, but I know enough about how my brain works to know that it is how I've hardwired my system to think thoughts that make me feel good.) I can prove intelligence in nature but no matter how much I want to attribute it to evolving from a supreme intelligence, or a supreme intelligence creating evolution, try as I might there is nothing-no fact of any sort which I can present to you that proves my belief to be true. I know that my belief is just that-a belief.

Trying my best not to attack you here,(and also trying my best not to enter into an intellectual debate with you here as I have already admitted I am no match for you) I stated that there was no historical record or evidence of there being a Jesus Christ, in following your thread, and reading through your debates with others you did admit that you cannot prove any such written evidence, but that you can prove that people with the same beliefs as you did make written record of their beliefs sometime in the first 100 years after the death of Christ. Then you insist that the written beliefs of these people that may or may not have been around during or after or long after Christ are factual evidence that I/We can't possibly grasp because we are Atheists.

In my opinion you have certainly sharpened your debate skills. However, if you were here for anything else, such as an open debate on whether or not a Supreme intellegence exists you have yet to prove that any beginning to anything, say for example what a particle appears out of or back into, is such an intelligence.

In that sense the onus is on you, that was your invitation to us; I'm an Orthodox Christian ask me a question, the question is, no matter how stated or by whom, Can you prove God is anything more than your power of Faith in your beliefs? (Or in other words-IS God anything other than the thoughts and feelings of passion you feel inside you when the subject of God arises?) You placed the burden of proof upon yourself and all I am saying is you haven't done it and forgive me if I have used others arguments in my attempt to show you this but it is because they know much more factual information than I do.

I would love for you to prove that the intelligence at work in all living things to be the work of a God. I have seen you present a whole lot of theory stating scientific facts as evidence of a Supreme Intelligence and then when your theory is proven to you to be theory, you admit that there is no factual evidence but insist that your argument is still proof.

THat's why so many are throwing up their hands in frustration with you-you think your beliefs are facts. But the only facts you have presented are scientific studies of process then you slide into scientific theory about the process, then you slide into your belief that God is behind it all and say "I have shown you that God is behind it all when I presented the scientific facts about a process."

Your beliefs are not fact. Presenting scientific fact and mixing scientific theory with theological writings as proof of God being behind it all does not prove that God is behind it all. Showing me an equation that neither one of us can answer and then saying , "God is the answer because there's an equation," does not prove God it proves your belief in God.

That's all for me, you have shown me that reason has no chance against your beliefs.
Peace In