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We should take the Moral Highground
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RE: We should take the Moral Highground
(April 5, 2012 at 2:32 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(April 5, 2012 at 2:10 pm)Tempus Wrote:


After all who would want to be unhappy.

Some people desire strange things which fulfil psychological needs. Satisfaction can be derived from being upset, ignored, etc. Not that I'm suggesting these people are a majority or anything. But even if all people desire happiness that doesn't establish it as 'good' or 'right'. I disagree with Aristotle on that matter. Nothing is self-evident in my opinion. It's important to make as few assumptions as possible, but when they're made they should be acknowledged.

(April 5, 2012 at 4:41 pm)mediamogul Wrote: To me all sentient beings are afforded rights because of their ability to suffer. These things are not arbitrary and are related to human nature and biology.

Sentient beings are afforded rights by society. Rights disappear when there's no society to grant them or system to enforce them. That humans share a common sense of morality is not arbitrary, no. But assuming something is innate, and therefore good is arbitrary. Our sense of morality is "good" for survival. Phrases like "X is good" are meaningless to me, but phrases like "X is good for..." are useful. "Good" without context (such as "good for" or "good at") is a totally vacuous word. Still, I agree with the conclusion that we ought to give rights because I think they're good at increasing overall happiness.

(April 5, 2012 at 5:21 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Nature seems indifferent to suffering. The strong prey on the weak.

Nature isn't sentient so it is necessarily indifferent. You might say it's in nature's nature to be indifferent Wink As for the strong preying on the weak (akin to the saying "survival of the fittest") that's not always the case. It's more accurate to say "the most well adapted survive". Throw a lion in the middle of an ocean and see how long it lasts.
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We should take the Moral Highground - by Gooders1002 - April 1, 2012 at 7:50 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Phil - April 1, 2012 at 9:08 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Phil - April 1, 2012 at 9:31 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Gooders1002 - April 1, 2012 at 10:59 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Napoléon - April 1, 2012 at 11:08 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by elunico13 - April 5, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by KichigaiNeko - April 1, 2012 at 11:19 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by padraic - April 2, 2012 at 4:11 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Matt231 - April 2, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Tobie - April 2, 2012 at 3:26 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Minimalist - April 2, 2012 at 7:15 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Tobie - April 2, 2012 at 5:21 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Bgood - April 2, 2012 at 5:36 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by mediamogul - April 2, 2012 at 5:41 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by DeistPaladin - April 5, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by mediamogul - April 2, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by padraic - April 2, 2012 at 7:11 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by padraic - April 3, 2012 at 7:43 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by zip_ster - April 3, 2012 at 9:24 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by genkaus - April 3, 2012 at 11:41 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by DeistPaladin - April 4, 2012 at 11:27 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by DeistPaladin - April 5, 2012 at 12:06 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by genkaus - April 5, 2012 at 8:15 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by genkaus - April 5, 2012 at 8:06 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Bgood - April 4, 2012 at 9:13 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Tempus - April 5, 2012 at 11:03 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Tempus - April 5, 2012 at 2:10 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by mediamogul - April 5, 2012 at 4:41 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by mediamogul - April 5, 2012 at 5:39 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by DeistPaladin - April 5, 2012 at 11:23 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by DeistPaladin - April 5, 2012 at 11:27 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by DeistPaladin - April 5, 2012 at 12:03 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Welsh cake - April 5, 2012 at 4:57 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Welsh cake - April 5, 2012 at 6:04 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by padraic - April 5, 2012 at 7:46 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by padraic - April 6, 2012 at 12:17 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Welsh cake - April 6, 2012 at 8:30 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by DeistPaladin - April 6, 2012 at 10:39 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by mediamogul - April 6, 2012 at 10:51 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Tempus - April 6, 2012 at 10:50 am
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by mediamogul - April 6, 2012 at 2:25 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by mediamogul - April 6, 2012 at 8:10 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by mediamogul - April 6, 2012 at 10:44 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by Reforged - April 6, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RE: We should take the Moral Highground - by padraic - April 8, 2012 at 8:44 pm

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