RE: So lemme get this straight
April 10, 2012 at 4:57 pm
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2012 at 5:00 pm by Drich.)
(April 10, 2012 at 3:31 pm)Cinjin Wrote: That is your own opinion. Belief/faith are not required for someone to be my friend, and you overstep your own Christian views when you say that the love offered should be the same love given. I know of no Christian who would walk down that road with you ... implying that you can love god equally to the way that he loves you.I did not imply anything other than what was directly stated
I said that the what friends are looking for is Philia what is sought with Philia is an equal sharing of Love.
God seeks Agape not Philia.
What I was demonstrating is the earnest effort not the equality of God and man. (Which was the reason I modeled my analogy in a different aspects of love so as not to confuse the two nor what is being explained)
Quote:Suddenly you now you have given yourself equal footing with your all powerful god to help you make your point. Also you fail miserably comparing belief in the power of one's love to belief in one's existence. It's a false dichotomy ... the two are not remotely the same no matter how much you try to make the case.I could identify several other fallacies here but choose not to. I am hoping this was a simple misunderstanding.
Quote:The rich man is also not looking for humility the way your god is, he is looking for genuine love and acceptance.
Drich Wrote:Which is the same thing God is looking for when you break down the principles to their core values.
Quote:Is this not back peddling?? You JUST said that your god is looking for humility. YOUR words. Scroll back, I'm quoting your response here. I have never sought out humility from a friend. That's absurd.Maybe you should look at the definition of the word.
not proud or arrogant; modest, courteously respectful your right these are terrible qualities to have in a close friend, and I do not know why anyone would look for these qualities in a person they wish to befriend.
Quote:Exactly my point ... and here we see that you have reversed positions once again and we are back to god commanding humility ... not an equal friend and companion. You're all over the map here. We should clarify our positions before we progress:You are all over the map
My position: The rich man is NOT looking for humility, he's looking for real love and affection regardless of his money/power. Your god on the other hand, needs people to first believe in his very existence, NOT, as you said, in his true and devout friendship. I stand by the fact that your analogy is flawed from the start due to proof of existence. I mentioned the false dichotomy above.
Your position: Belief and love go hand in hand and one must submit himself as humble to somehow be on an equal playing field concerning the love of god.
First one must believe, it doesn't take much just the faith of a mustard seed will do. In you are faithful to this tiny faith and sow it in a belief of God He will show himself to you in a profound way in your life. From there you will have other opportunities to be faithful to other gifts he will give to you, and you remain faithful more will be given, and eventually you will learn to Love God with all of your being.
The equal playing field comes in that everyone born into this life has no direct or intrinsic knowledge of God outside of the mustard seed of faith we have all been given. we all have an equal opportunity to sow the seed in the name of God or we can discard the seed for whatever we wish to live our lives for.
Quote:The whole point of our little debate here is that you claim god MUST have belief and humility before he can love you and you can love him.Indeed
Quote:This is your own opinion, and you are welcome to it, but trying to sell it is pointless ... as it is a ridiculous notion.As you understand it I agree.