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Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality"
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RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality"
(April 12, 2012 at 9:25 pm)Shell B Wrote: I happen to find traditional gender roles adorable for those who embrace them. Stay at home moms are awesome, but I really don't care if it is the mom or the dad. My point is that taking this "neutrality" thing too far will detract from the good in traditional roles. That being said, I think people should choose if they want to feel neutral, overtly feminine, overtly masculine or overtly something in-between. The differences between typical males, females and every other gender should be noticed and embraced. The only thing that should count is that one is not discriminated against for their gender. Neutrality does not accomplish that.

I beg to differ. There is a very good reason for it. When a woman sees a male in the woman's room, she knows to go on the defensive.

The good in traditional roles? Why are they good- because you find them adorable? I think they often times enforce sexism. I'd rather split things 50/50 with anyone I was romantically involved in.

As for the second point- of course, you're correct. Because as it is, the genders are not equal. Wouldn't it be a great world where men weren't any more feared than women? I'm not saying we should start sharing bathrooms, but I get very sick of people acting like modern crime is one sided on a basis of gender.
(April 12, 2012 at 11:50 pm)R-e-n-n-a-t Wrote:
(April 12, 2012 at 11:46 pm)Epimethean Wrote: No, my links did no such thing. Your choice of interpretation did that. By all means, continue on to refute the data about serial killers and-oh yes: Stalkers.

I'll give you the link then.
http://www.csom.org/pubs/female_sex_offenders_brief.pdf

Read all of it, and you'll see that I have taken a direct quote. Once again, feel free to retract your view at any time. People will think of you more highly for it, not less. We must always follow logic, even when we don't want to the most. Especially when we don't want to.
(April 12, 2012 at 11:47 pm)Aegrus Wrote: So far, most of Rennat's links show individual cases of female crime, whereas Shell B and Epimethean's show broader studies. There are exceptions, but that' the general trend.

Given the current evidence, I agree that women overall are less prone to violent crimes than men. However, couldn't a person argue that this is only because women are currently socialized to be more submissive in most modern societies? If men and women were treated completely equally, might the crime rates in turn equalize? Perhaps many of the differences in behavior between males and females in society are a result of conditioning. As evidence for this, I'd need to cite links that show the male to female crime rates in very unequal countries as opposed to equal countries. Alas, I'm too lazy to do that right now, so I can't expect anyone to listen to me.

Aegrus, I understand that you're trying to mediate this since you think I'm going to lose. Look at the data yourself, or kindly exit.

(btw, for people wondering how I deduced that, we're friends)

I looked at the data. It doesn't quite support what you're saying. I'm not going to exit.
What falls away is always, and is near.

Also, I am not pretending to be female, this profile picture is my wonderful girlfriend. XD
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Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Tiberius - April 12, 2012 at 5:34 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by 5thHorseman - April 12, 2012 at 5:46 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Anomalocaris - April 12, 2012 at 5:55 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Xcentric - April 12, 2012 at 7:21 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Aegrus - April 12, 2012 at 7:58 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Zen Badger - April 12, 2012 at 7:27 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Ace Otana - April 12, 2012 at 10:41 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Epimethean - April 12, 2012 at 10:49 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by R-e-n-n-a-t - April 12, 2012 at 12:55 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Violet - April 12, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by SophiaGrace - April 12, 2012 at 7:40 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Minimalist - April 12, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by DeistPaladin - April 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by znk666 - April 12, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Minimalist - April 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Minimalist - April 12, 2012 at 2:36 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by SophiaGrace - April 12, 2012 at 5:47 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by R-e-n-n-a-t - April 12, 2012 at 6:25 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Violet - April 12, 2012 at 7:00 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by padraic - April 12, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Epimethean - April 12, 2012 at 8:31 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Violet - April 13, 2012 at 9:43 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by TheJackel - April 12, 2012 at 8:37 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by R-e-n-n-a-t - April 12, 2012 at 9:19 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Shell B - April 12, 2012 at 9:25 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by R-e-n-n-a-t - April 12, 2012 at 9:42 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Aegrus - April 12, 2012 at 11:53 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Epimethean - April 12, 2012 at 9:36 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Epimethean - April 12, 2012 at 9:44 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by R-e-n-n-a-t - April 12, 2012 at 9:53 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Epimethean - April 12, 2012 at 10:41 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Shell B - April 12, 2012 at 10:10 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by R-e-n-n-a-t - April 12, 2012 at 10:18 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by padraic - April 12, 2012 at 10:51 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Shell B - April 12, 2012 at 11:03 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by R-e-n-n-a-t - April 12, 2012 at 11:09 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Epimethean - April 12, 2012 at 11:18 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by padraic - April 12, 2012 at 11:14 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Shell B - April 12, 2012 at 11:15 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by R-e-n-n-a-t - April 12, 2012 at 11:23 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Epimethean - April 12, 2012 at 11:27 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by R-e-n-n-a-t - April 12, 2012 at 11:34 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Epimethean - April 12, 2012 at 11:46 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by R-e-n-n-a-t - April 12, 2012 at 11:50 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Aegrus - April 12, 2012 at 11:47 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by R-e-n-n-a-t - April 12, 2012 at 11:56 pm
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Epimethean - April 13, 2012 at 12:12 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Shell B - April 13, 2012 at 12:17 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by R-e-n-n-a-t - April 13, 2012 at 12:52 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Shell B - April 13, 2012 at 1:15 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by R-e-n-n-a-t - April 13, 2012 at 1:21 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Shell B - April 13, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by R-e-n-n-a-t - April 13, 2012 at 2:05 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Reforged - April 13, 2012 at 1:32 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Faith No More - April 13, 2012 at 10:24 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by Violet - April 13, 2012 at 10:32 am
RE: Sweden Aims for "Gender Neutrality" - by KichigaiNeko - April 14, 2012 at 1:26 am

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