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Gender reversal in the presidential debates
June 2, 2017 at 9:08 am
http://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publicatio...ersal.html
Apologies if this has already been discussed, but it's the first I saw it. Debates were recreated but with a male actor for Clinton, female for Trump. They used the debate text and studied the candidates movements, facial expressions, etc. Designers of the study expected it to demonstrate sexism, but it didn't.
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RE: Gender reversal in the presidential debates
June 2, 2017 at 12:35 pm
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(June 2, 2017 at 9:08 am)alpha male Wrote: http://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publicatio...ersal.html
Apologies if this has already been discussed, but it's the first I saw it. Debates were recreated but with a male actor for Clinton, female for Trump. They used the debate text and studied the candidates movements, facial expressions, etc. Designers of the study expected it to demonstrate sexism, but it didn't.
I noticed that study a while ago. While I do believe sexism is both common and real, it is not always the prime culprit. Sometimes people are just foolish, asinine, or unpleasant in ways that can exaggerate underlying prejudices, even if one consciously tries to give them the benefit of the doubt. In the case of Hillary Clinton, she was just such a piss poor candidate and a truly awful and unpleasant person that even people who wanted to like her still had difficulty supporting her. In her case, sexism was a very insignificant and incidental consideration for those who did not support her.
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RE: Gender reversal in the presidential debates
June 2, 2017 at 1:43 pm
(June 2, 2017 at 12:35 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I noticed that study a while ago. While I do believe sexism is both common and real, it is not always the prime culprit. Sometimes people are just foolish, asinine, or unpleasant in ways that can exaggerate underlying prejudices, even if one consciously tries to give them the benefit of the doubt. In the case of Hillary Clinton, she was just such a piss poor candidate and a truly awful and unpleasant person that even people who wanted to like her still had difficulty supporting her. In her case, sexism was a very insignificant and incidental consideration for those who did not support her.
Hilary seemed alright, she was certainly compassionate and competent.
That people took against her in such a harsh way was surprising to me, the only explanation is that the US is still backwards in its views on females in power.
She didn't win because of some vague thing about her e-mails when Trump was absolutely awful in every way possible.
Racist, sexist, offensive to the disabled and just plain obnoxious. I could go on for days about how bad he is.
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RE: Gender reversal in the presidential debates
June 2, 2017 at 3:05 pm
(June 2, 2017 at 1:43 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: She didn't win because of some vague thing about her e-mails when Trump was absolutely awful in every way possible.
YMMV. I would rather spend an evening of dinner and drinks with Trump than with Hillary.
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RE: Gender reversal in the presidential debates
June 2, 2017 at 3:11 pm
Wow, it would be tough for me to be around Hillary and not EXCORIATE her for the lousy fucking campaign, entitlement attitude as opposed to doing the legwork to win, outspending Trump by a factor of 2 and still fucking losing, not repudiating Wasserman Shultz & Weiner (lets cauterize that SOB before he fucks up something else) & Brazile and the other Bernie Deniers in her kennel and then not fucking admit HER fucking failings when she fucking lost.
It would not be pretty.
I'd eat her dessert too.
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RE: Gender reversal in the presidential debates
June 3, 2017 at 2:07 am
(June 2, 2017 at 3:05 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (June 2, 2017 at 1:43 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: She didn't win because of some vague thing about her e-mails when Trump was absolutely awful in every way possible.
YMMV. I would rather spend an evening of dinner and drinks with Trump than with Hillary.
You monster.
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RE: Gender reversal in the presidential debates
June 3, 2017 at 2:12 am
(June 3, 2017 at 2:07 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (June 2, 2017 at 3:05 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: YMMV. I would rather spend an evening of dinner and drinks with Trump than with Hillary.
You monster.
If course he would the two have so much in common there both insufferable windbags
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RE: Gender reversal in the presidential debates
June 3, 2017 at 2:43 am
(June 2, 2017 at 3:05 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (June 2, 2017 at 1:43 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: She didn't win because of some vague thing about her e-mails when Trump was absolutely awful in every way possible.
YMMV. I would rather spend an evening of dinner and drinks with Trump than with Hillary.
To each his own. Personally, I would rather be smacked in the belly with a wet fish than socialize with Trump.
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RE: Gender reversal in the presidential debates
June 3, 2017 at 3:59 am
I don't see a study, just some people who did a recreation with actors, and some anecdotal audience responses.
It is interesting, all the same. People were utterly turned off by the feminine traits in the male actor. So seeing a skirt alone might not be enough to trigger the sexist responses, but seeing a woman behave in a feminine way, or a man behave in a feminine way, were turn offs. Seeing a woman behave as an aggressive male worked.
How is that not sexist?
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RE: Gender reversal in the presidential debates
June 3, 2017 at 6:30 am
(June 2, 2017 at 3:05 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (June 2, 2017 at 1:43 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: She didn't win because of some vague thing about her e-mails when Trump was absolutely awful in every way possible.
YMMV. I would rather spend an evening of dinner and drinks with Trump than with Hillary.
I'd rather spend an evening of dinner and drinks with my buddy Steve but I ain't voting Steve for President.
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