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Objective morality
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RE: Objective morality
FTR this is where a philosophy class would help. You need some foundational concepts before it makes sense to talk about "objective" morality.

Plato believed that things existed as they "actually are" in a perfect realm beyond this one. He called them "Forms". For instance we have many "chairs" that we can interact with in our normal world of sense perception. Plato believed that somewhere existed essence of "chairness" in the realm of forms which can be accessed by use of our reason. This is called Metaphysics (study of the nature of Being) and Epistemology (study of Knowledge or our ability to know). These are the two foundational principles needed prior to asking about "objective" morality. Is there an essence of "Humaness" that predefines, before a human exists, what a "perfect" human would do? Generally this concept requires a being to have pre-concieved humans before creating them. The famous saying is that "essence precedes existence". Sartre turned this on it's head and said that humans define "Humaness" by existing, "existence precedes essence" which is where the term "existentialism" came from.

This is a basic starting point. I have found it very difficulty to generate a working system of ethics that wasn't based more on rights than actual normative ethics. It's hard to command others to act in a certain way when you believe that ethics are not absolute so it is more about rights to behave in certain ways provided they don't impede others rights and don't cause unnecessary suffering.
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"All thinking men are atheists." -Ernest Hemmingway

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire
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Objective morality - by FallentoReason - April 12, 2012 at 10:52 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Matt231 - April 12, 2012 at 11:05 pm
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RE: Objective morality - by Reforged - April 12, 2012 at 11:11 pm
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RE: Objective morality - by FallentoReason - April 12, 2012 at 11:11 pm
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RE: Objective morality - by FallentoReason - April 12, 2012 at 11:30 pm
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 12, 2012 at 11:45 pm
RE: Objective morality - by FallentoReason - April 13, 2012 at 12:06 am
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 13, 2012 at 8:55 am
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 12, 2012 at 11:28 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 12, 2012 at 11:38 pm
RE: Objective morality - by padraic - April 12, 2012 at 11:45 pm
RE: Objective morality - by The Grand Nudger - April 13, 2012 at 9:10 am
RE: Objective morality - by mediamogul - April 13, 2012 at 9:52 am
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 13, 2012 at 10:06 am
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2012 at 11:40 am
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 13, 2012 at 2:08 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 13, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 13, 2012 at 7:31 pm
RE: Objective morality - by mediamogul - April 13, 2012 at 12:17 pm
RE: Objective morality - by houseofcantor - April 13, 2012 at 10:11 am
RE: Objective morality - by Mister Agenda - April 13, 2012 at 12:09 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2012 at 12:31 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2012 at 7:21 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2012 at 10:20 pm
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 14, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 14, 2012 at 8:10 pm
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 16, 2012 at 4:21 am
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 16, 2012 at 11:49 am
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 16, 2012 at 12:43 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Zen Badger - April 16, 2012 at 5:02 am
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 17, 2012 at 4:47 pm
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RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 17, 2012 at 5:50 pm
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 17, 2012 at 6:18 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 18, 2012 at 12:08 am
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 18, 2012 at 12:32 am
RE: Objective morality - by Jackalope - April 18, 2012 at 12:33 am
RE: Objective morality - by Jackalope - April 17, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 18, 2012 at 4:41 pm
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 18, 2012 at 5:22 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Jackalope - April 19, 2012 at 12:09 am
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 18, 2012 at 8:29 pm
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 18, 2012 at 9:20 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 19, 2012 at 6:01 pm
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 19, 2012 at 6:16 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Scabby Joe - April 23, 2012 at 5:39 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Godschild - April 23, 2012 at 11:03 pm
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 24, 2012 at 1:52 am
RE: Objective morality - by simplexity - April 24, 2012 at 3:29 am
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RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 24, 2012 at 9:42 pm
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RE: Objective morality - by Godschild - April 26, 2012 at 3:04 am
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 26, 2012 at 3:53 am
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RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 26, 2012 at 5:15 am
RE: Objective morality - by The Grand Nudger - April 23, 2012 at 6:54 pm
RE: Objective morality - by simplexity - April 23, 2012 at 8:44 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Jackalope - April 23, 2012 at 11:14 pm
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