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Militant atheism: Why it exists, and why we need it.
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RE: Militant atheism: Why it exists, and why we need it.
(April 9, 2012 at 11:58 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
(April 2, 2012 at 5:06 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: Belligerence ensures people hear you. It DOES mean people feel animosity to you, too...

But what's the fucking point when they ALREADY feel animosity towards you?? If you show you can be loud, while still showing restraint [let them do what they want in their private lives as long as they keep their silliness silent in public], they can't feel any WORSE. The only loss of opinion is that they start whining that you're getting in their faces.

BUT CONSIDERING THE HYPOCRISY THERE...

Well, they don't, unless you go up to them and start arguing for, perhaps no good reason.
Besides, religion is quite subjective, there isn't really much to be agreed on both sides of any atheist-theist debate.
Like I can sit all day out there, and argue about politics, but I do not *argue* about religion, I only comment on religion, by examining it's tenets of faith, or mythology. You on the other hand think that you're gonna save humanity by being belligerent as an atheist.
Pffft..I think that you really lack a purpose in life, friend.

If you're going to bring up semantics like "purposes in life," then ho damn you'd better be ready to have a discussion that will last weeks. I'll just take that as you using mind-numbingly dull rhetoric to make yourself sound like you're a real "tell it like it is" kinda guy, and just simply reply to it with the following:

If you have such an amazing purpose in life then why the fuck is your name not in the news every day? Either you're the President of the US or at least of some small third-world country somewhere or you're a messiah, or otherwise whatever silly purpose you have that you think is so important in comparison to mine [the only way you could make such a claim is if you yourself are confident your own purpose is much the greater] really isn't, so why don't you climb down off that pedestal you climbed up on, hm?

My point for the OP was largely made in frustration but it is not something I merely let pop into my head, either. Clearly some of the theists have been met with atheists who simply want to deride them for being a theist. This seems to cause problems for them. But human nature is often that the one who makes the most sense will deride the one who is sounding like an ass. Theism whether you like it or not is basically saying you believe shit that has no evidence to support it other than hearsay. In ANY other matter other than religion when someone says "I believe what this guy says just because he said it," we think they're a gullible idiot. The moment we start talking about invisible bearded fuckers in the sky who are obsessed with small clans of people, suddenly we're in "respect what you're saying" territory. At least that's what people EXPECT, anyway.

You believe in fairy tales and you're a grown adult. Expect derision from people who stopped believing in the equivalent of Santa Claus and the Tooth Tairy many years ago. I'm not saying that to be a dick; I'm saying it as a genuine advisory.

Personally if I say something stupid I damn sure hope people will deride me for it because it'll educate me to make sure I don't make an ass out of myself. It's why despite what Mehmet said, I don't hate him or even dislike him [though the above wording will make it sound like it]. If I hated everyone who derided something stupid I said, I would never have any hope in hell of having ANY kind of intellectual discourse with friends, ever.

Shit, if I didn't get derided for saying stupid shit, I'd still be a christian. But people pointing out the silliness in what I believed and doing it bluntly and without being gentle and ultimately condescending is a large part of what woke me up to all the inconsistencies and logical fallacies within the bible.

Long story short; if you don't like getting your feelings hurt, then stop believing in fairy tales. Don't even lie to people about your beliefs, either. Either come to terms with the fact that prostration to mythical unprovable entities will get you some measure of derision from people who don't believe in that, or realize WHY you're being made fun of, and throw off the superstition. It's as simple as that.

Meanwhile I am going to keep being a dick to people who claim their religion is the "correct" one and who can't keep silent about their delusions. I don't inquire peoples' beliefs; they HAVE to tell me theirs of their own accord. Your average normal quiet Christian I have no problem with. Your average normal quiet muslim I have no problem with. Your average covetous jew? No problem with them [except they refuse to give me their bags of jewgold *lol*]. But the ones who are loud? Well, I used to be a metal singer: I can be much fucking louder than they can.

EDIT: Tl;dr or tr;dgtp (too rambling; didn't get the point) ; Militant atheism should not be used in constant aggression, only "defensively" or reactionary. Otherwise we can be calm about it.
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RE: Militant atheism: Why it exists, and why we need it. - by Creed of Heresy - April 14, 2012 at 6:54 am

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