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Objective morality
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RE: Objective morality
(April 14, 2012 at 8:10 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Are these differences that make a difference? Just asking. As a thought problem, suppose I were asserting the opposite. Suppose I said that the ultimate moral standard is to struggle for dominance and amass power all to oneself, i.e. "might makes right." The consistent application of that standard has one set of results. Consistent application of the other principle leads to the opposite outcome.

The universal moral standard is like a perfect movie reviewer. A good movie reviewer is one that consistently steers you toward movies you like. The reviewer who always pans the movies you like is actually one of the best to know. You don't go wrong seeing movies he hates.

It makes a difference if you assert morality based on natural law. You are saying that things tend to move towards coherence and unity as a part of their nature and that this principle forms the basis of a universal morality. It definitely makes a difference if this principle is simply a matter of POV.

(April 14, 2012 at 8:10 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: In searching for a universal moral standard, what I have found is a universal moral choice. True moral agents are those who have the rationality to recognize the nature of the options before them and the freedom to act upon the decisions they face. Choose to build integrity and seek harmony in your environment. Or choose the pursuit of dominance and live with both inner and outer conflit. No one is constrained by any external power (like God) to go either one way or the other.

So what I'm saying is that there is a universal moral standard, but only in the sense that it clarifies without compelling. An objective standard is like a ruler. You can try to draw a straight line by yourself or you can use the ruler. Your choice.

You are avoiding the question. Yes, it is my choice and I'm not being compelled to choose. So why should I choose your moral code of integrity and harmony? That would require another moral code that would to make the choice by - which automatically makes yours non-universal.
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Objective morality - by FallentoReason - April 12, 2012 at 10:52 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Matt231 - April 12, 2012 at 11:05 pm
RE: Objective morality - by padraic - April 12, 2012 at 11:08 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Reforged - April 12, 2012 at 11:11 pm
RE: Objective morality - by FallentoReason - April 12, 2012 at 11:23 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Reforged - April 12, 2012 at 11:55 pm
RE: Objective morality - by FallentoReason - April 12, 2012 at 11:11 pm
RE: Objective morality - by padraic - April 12, 2012 at 11:23 pm
RE: Objective morality - by FallentoReason - April 12, 2012 at 11:30 pm
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 12, 2012 at 11:45 pm
RE: Objective morality - by FallentoReason - April 13, 2012 at 12:06 am
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 13, 2012 at 8:55 am
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 12, 2012 at 11:28 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 12, 2012 at 11:38 pm
RE: Objective morality - by padraic - April 12, 2012 at 11:45 pm
RE: Objective morality - by The Grand Nudger - April 13, 2012 at 9:10 am
RE: Objective morality - by mediamogul - April 13, 2012 at 9:52 am
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 13, 2012 at 10:06 am
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2012 at 11:40 am
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 13, 2012 at 2:08 pm
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RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 13, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 13, 2012 at 7:31 pm
RE: Objective morality - by mediamogul - April 13, 2012 at 12:17 pm
RE: Objective morality - by houseofcantor - April 13, 2012 at 10:11 am
RE: Objective morality - by Mister Agenda - April 13, 2012 at 12:09 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2012 at 12:31 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2012 at 7:21 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2012 at 10:20 pm
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 14, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 14, 2012 at 8:10 pm
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 16, 2012 at 4:21 am
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 16, 2012 at 11:49 am
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 16, 2012 at 12:43 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Zen Badger - April 16, 2012 at 5:02 am
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 17, 2012 at 4:47 pm
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RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 17, 2012 at 5:50 pm
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RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 18, 2012 at 12:08 am
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RE: Objective morality - by Jackalope - April 18, 2012 at 12:33 am
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RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 18, 2012 at 4:41 pm
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RE: Objective morality - by Jackalope - April 19, 2012 at 12:09 am
RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 18, 2012 at 8:29 pm
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RE: Objective morality - by Neo-Scholastic - April 19, 2012 at 6:01 pm
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RE: Objective morality - by Scabby Joe - April 23, 2012 at 5:39 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Godschild - April 23, 2012 at 11:03 pm
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 24, 2012 at 1:52 am
RE: Objective morality - by simplexity - April 24, 2012 at 3:29 am
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RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 24, 2012 at 9:42 pm
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RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 26, 2012 at 3:53 am
RE: Objective morality - by Godschild - April 26, 2012 at 4:47 am
RE: Objective morality - by genkaus - April 26, 2012 at 5:15 am
RE: Objective morality - by The Grand Nudger - April 23, 2012 at 6:54 pm
RE: Objective morality - by simplexity - April 23, 2012 at 8:44 pm
RE: Objective morality - by Jackalope - April 23, 2012 at 11:14 pm
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