RE: Nationalism and secularism
April 16, 2012 at 5:07 am
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2012 at 5:09 am by Tobie.)
(April 16, 2012 at 4:53 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:(April 15, 2012 at 5:10 pm)tobie Wrote: So its OK for you to want a pan-turk nation, but completely ridiculous for the Kurds to want a nation where they have lived for centuries? Doesn't sound hypocritical at all.
What comes to me as ridiculous is that they want land from us, the Turks, to do it. We do not want land from anybody. We only want what is rightfully ours. Kurds request what was never theirs in the first place.
Besides, kurds are relative newcomers into Anatolia, they were introduced by Alp Arslan, and finally settled in by Yavuz Sultan Selim Han, where previously two other Turkoman beyliks stood.
The Kurds, and their ancestors, have been in the middle east longer than the Turks. The Kurds have been there since at least the 9th Century C.E, in places like Al-Mawsil, whereas Turks didn't come to the area till the early 11th Century C.E.
The Turks originate from central Asia, or Turan as you call it, and the Kurds have a range of ancestors including Medes and various Mesopotamian peoples. They have as much of a right to this land as you do.
Also, very little of the land they claim is in Anatolia, with most of it being in Mesopotamia.
There's a surprising amount of Turks living in Germany. Are you going claim that as part of Turan aswell?
