RE: I am an orthodox Christian, ask me a question!
August 21, 2009 at 11:50 am
(This post was last modified: August 21, 2009 at 12:49 pm by Jon Paul.)
(August 21, 2009 at 10:50 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: But that's irrelevant anyway, because being outside of time makes no difference it's the same problem. You still need just as much an explanation as if he was there from the beginning or arose from chance alone.It makes a fundamental ontological difference. Your definition of complexity involves temporality, because it involves "chance", and this is not a matter of chance. You need to use the substantive definition of complexity, as Arcanus rightly notes, as composition; otherwise, your statements become meaningless.
(August 21, 2009 at 10:50 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Give evidence please.First of all, this is about entertaining the hypothesis of God and it's internal consistency and it's ontology, something you are doing even by claiming that God is "complex", by which you are obviously not conceding his existence, and evidence and actual existence is thus not the matter at hand, and if it is, this debate is not possible from your perspective to begin with. But since you always conflate different matters, then, secondly, I have already provided the foundational evidence for God as pure actuality, though you don't accept it on presuppositional grounds, and I'm not going to go into it again and play with your in your confusing between different matters.
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