Nationalism and secularism

[kılıç_mehmet]

One problem, Mehmet: Your country has no natural resources that will carry it forward towards being the greatest of all nations.

There you are wrong. The Lands of Turan are rich in natural resources, and rich in soil. What we need is a better industry. Greatness is not measured in how much gold or oil there is under your earth. Are the arabs, who are so rich in oil, great? With their over 300 million numbers, they still are humbled by the 5 million jews in Israel?
How about the Russians? With their great resources in Siberia, they make the people of St. Petersburg and Moscow rich as Kharun, while their workers live under poverty, and their daughters resort to prostitution in other countries, with substentially ress resources.

People hate to admit it but America is the "greatest" nation in the world because it is the hub of the world's commerce

Yes, it is true that the US is the current hub of the world's commerce, but history shows that such countries who held most of the world's trade in their hands, like the Phoenicans of the old, great Carthage, and once the capital of the world, Rome and Byzantium, are now nothing in comparison with Wall Street.
What now makes the US the trade hub of the world is also your greatest enemy. It takes it's toll on your citizens.
How is a nation "great" if the wealth is not used in turn to enrich the peoples of that nation? And from what I hear in this forum, it is not.
Yes?

it is the base of the world's most powerful military force

It is. Just like we were once.
And you are a rather new power. We have held this title for more than two centuries.
Entire nations quaked under our soldier's boots.
Now what has turned us into nothing more than a regional power, is the same reason the great empire of Chingiss has collapsed.
We take heed of the wrongs of the past, as we have been through so many roads, that we have known practically each and every ideology that has passed humanity. We know which suits us the best, we know that we have a great military and trade history, and Turkistan is wealthy in natural resources, and if not for Russia, extending it's cold grip into the riches of our lands.
We have everything that we need to surpass America. We only need to re-unite, and work hard.

and it is the bastion of the largest output of culture.

Yes, you sure do produce a lot of movies, comic books, video games, and popular music.
So do we. So do the Germans. The difference is in how you market these items around the world.
We don't. We couldn't, even if we want to. Because these are specific to us, friend. Whereas America's cultural output seems to be somewhat akin to the cultural output of the multi-ethnic empires of the old-Alexander's empire, Roman empire, they all brought their culture where they went to.
The US is now going through it's prime times. But it has a number of great weaknesses, that the other multiethnic empires also showed.

Am I saying Turkey is NOT a great nation? Hell no, far from it.

Turkey might be a great country, a regional power, but Turks are a nation that features people from the Balkans to China proper. This is our nation.

Hell no, far from it. It has attracted a large swath of investment and its economy is on the rise

This is a false rise. You cannot rise with foreign investment. You can only become more and more dependent on it.

Its development is great.

Say mashallah, friend.

But in comparison to nations such as China,

China is a nation of slaves, friend. The rest of the world treats China as little more than what it is. They use China and it's people as cheap slave labour. Do you really think that China can go any further with this large population of Slaves? How far have the Chinese gone throughout their History? The Germans have crossed the Russian steppes to make a home for themselves in Europe. They have used longboats to reach America, and created the first colonies on that continent.
Turks have traversed the Asian continent, created innumerable states, and still are spread over a large area. The Chinese are a stagnant people. They will not advance any further than they already have with foreign investment.

Japan, Morocco, Norway, it is not rising nearly as fast.

These are all single countries. Norway and other Scandis have very low populations. How much does their voice really ring amongst the international scene? Not much, I'd reckon.
They are best left alone to themselves, they'll still live in peace and prosperity, hopefully.
Japan, too, is a great nation. As a matter of fact, I view them as the greatest of our rivals, even though I'd rather see them as allies in the future, or even brethren.

We Turks can surpass these nations, if we could work intelligently and passionately towards a common goal. Each and every time we had done that, as history shows, we have brought forth great nations.
We shall do so once again.

It doesn't even register as a blip on the technological innovations or scientific innovations scales which are the largest driving influences behind civilization

Sadly, the US-loving governments of the past have stagnated our advancement in the technological fields, with our best scientists going abroads to seek work elsewhere. They had said, "Why would we need a national car? We can buy it from the westerners anyways! Let us concentrate our efforts on growing wheat and sugar beet!" or, "The government is producing planes? For what we need that for? Close down the factories, let us grow wheat and sugar beet."
This treasonous behaviour has led us to leave behind technology, and become a nation that supplies other nations with whatever food they need.
And now, we can't even do that, as our agriculture is under attack by powers unknown, but they act through our government, once again.
We need a firm, nationalist government, unafraid of taking action, unafraid of telling others to leave us alone.

where the US still to this day reigns supreme despite our ultraconservative population fighting tooth and nail to hinder that.

The US reigns supreme due to the large number of people it attracts from other countries.
It drains the most gifted individuals from the rest of the world.

Our purpose is to keep our gifted in our own lands, to work for our cause, instead of working for the cause of the foreigner.

Striving towards that goal? Noble. Claiming to know you will succeed because of a platitude-like prophecy?

If I knew that the goal is impossible, I certainly would aim for a lower goal.
But I know it's not impossible, not even near impossible. Keeping your goals low will only produce laziness, laxity and things like our former governments have told us. How can we ever think of producing our own cars, tanks and planes? We shouldn't even try. We should continue to be dependent on others.

This is the way a slave thinks. And even the slave thinks of one day, overthrowing his oppressor, and strangle him with the same chain his master sought to enslave him with.

You are pretty much saying you will succeed because someone said that heritage is all you need.

The power we need is within our blood. Our heritage. Our history.
This is what will enable us to try to be worthy of this blood, heritage and history. It will be the incentive that drives us toward greater deeds.

If we had no knowledge of our prior archivements, no knowledge of what we are, no knowledge of what we great deeds we have brought forth in the road to our red apple(ideal) would we be any different from the black slaves that you have brought to work in your fields? Malcolm X was a great pioneer of instilling some pride, even if it was artificial, in the black people that your founders have used as their slaves, and destroyed their culture, language and ethnicity in order to force them into the slave mentality. That he has nowhere to go, but to serve his master.

The one who has ethnic pride, a national consciousness, will always strive to the road of freedom for his people.

Your heritage and OUTSIDE INVESTMENT. Turkey's strength will not come exclusively from within. It will come from without. It already is.

Globalization. Get used to the idea of it.

More like Global slavery. I am getting already used to the idea, and more and more I dislike it. Have your investments. They are all nothing more than instruments of slavery that you so oppose in America, but when it comes to nations outside of your own, you suddenly are very protective about them, telling me to get used to their violent oppression.
They come in forms of privatisations, acquisitions, bribes, usury, outsourcing and monopolies. To fool our people, they feed us the garbage they call *culture* and luxury items. The bring about moral and social collapse, as to numb our minds with their media.
Our heritage dictates that we create our own wealth. Our heritage dictates that we become independent. Our heritage dictates that we should be free of economic oppression. Our heritage dictates that we should shun the cultural imperialism of the foreign. Our heritage dictates that we should shun and destroy everything that tries to destroy our good customs.
This is what our heritage dictates. Call it what you will.
Saying that we can't do it, would be to overlook the archivements of the people who founded this country. People told them, "The allies will never accept your claims of an independent Turkey.". But they said, "Freedom(Turan) or death(anything else. Death is certainly more acceptable in comparison)." This is my motto. The heritage of great Turks of the past shows us the way. We are just too blind to follow it.