(August 21, 2009 at 11:50 am)Jon Paul Wrote: Your definition of complexity involves temporality, because it involves "chance", and this is not a matter of chance.
It's a matter of chance because God has a probability of existing somewhere between 0%and 100%. Whether he is nontemporal or not he still needs just as much of an explanation and is still just as complex and improbable. You can't just dodge it by defining him outside of need for explanation. He requires the same amount of explanation.
Quote:You need to use the substantive definition of complexity, as Arcanus rightly notes, as composition; otherwise, your statements become meaningless.
No because it's bullshit. To say he's all one material doesn't make him 'simple' when he's a supernatural being, he is an extraordinary claim and he requires extaordinary evidence. If he could arise form chance and was temporal he would be very unlikely to arise from it. This is the indication of his improbability, and that indication makes him no less probable if he was there from the beginning...or, indeed, if he is nontemporal and exists outside of time. You can't just dodge the matter. He still is just as complex, still requires just as much of an explanation, and is still just as improbable untill this extraordinary claim has extraordinary evidence.
Quote: I have already provided the foundational evidence for God as pure actuality, though you don't accept it on presuppositional grounds, and I'm not going to go into it again and play with your in your confusing between different matters.
Well fine, but I have not seen once tinest drop of evidence, and without evidence there's no reason to believe he exists. Who cares untill there's evidence?
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