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Illiterate men.
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RE: Illiterate men.
Thanks for your response Drich. I always look forward to reading what you have to say.

Firstly, to avoid confusion between my beliefs and what the members of the forum see as my beliefs, I just want to state that within this thread the framework that I am using to deal with the ideas at hand is one that is entirely within the pages of the NT. That is, by agreeing or disagreeing with arguments I am not implying that I believe that to reflect history (with all due respect Drich Wink). Now, onwards!

Quote:First to answer the original question why was nothing written down. I asked who to say nothing was? It was a massive undertaking and extremely expensive to not only get writing materials but to store said writings in such away as to be preserved. One had to know people, and unless you were a scribe or Pharisee yourself it would be most likely your efforts would have been lost. That is why in that culture in that time the oral tradition of verbally passing down accounts were held in such high regard.
Ok, this is reasonable.

Quote:Remember there is nearly a 70 year gap between the events that had taken place until the newly form church had the resources to record and story the written works of the remaining apostles.
How does this fit in with the fact that the Apostles were all martyred? I'm not entirely familiar with the approximate dates of their deaths. So, did the canonical authors actually die after the 70 year gap, enabling them to make the Gospels?

Quote:There is a story of Christ as a young child being lost by His parents for 3 days, and was found teaching the rabbis in the synagogue. Apparently He did not have a need for a formal education.
Even nowadays I highly doubt that a child has the ability to fast track their mental capabilities. Even less probable for this to happen within the span of 3 days.

Quote:There are 3 other works accredited to John aside from the gospel account. writing style and subject matter coupled with how he identifies himself all point to a singular authorship. That said it was not uncommon for men like John to use a Scribe to record what he himself could not.
Ok, for this one let me step out of the framework I defined and talk about history as I currently know it. What do you think about the possibility that Revelations was the first book written, even before the Gospels? Does that change anything?
(April 19, 2012 at 6:59 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: A1 [delicious steak sauce]: Well a vast majority of his life is a complete blank. Like...decades of his life is completely unwritten about. He could have studied during this time. The bigger question is why are the majority of the details of supposedly the life of the son of god so poorly recorded by his own disciples? Why do we know more about the life of Egyptian Pharaohs who have no effect on the world and who had no real effect on the world and yet we know next to nothing about Jesus as a person?

A2: ...No idea. XD

I guess with Pharaohs it was part of the culture to treat them like gods pretty much and annotate their history down on the walls of pyramids and stuff..
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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Illiterate men. - by FallentoReason - April 19, 2012 at 5:08 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Creed of Heresy - April 19, 2012 at 6:59 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by fuckass365 - April 19, 2012 at 7:52 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 19, 2012 at 9:08 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by FallentoReason - April 19, 2012 at 10:00 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 21, 2012 at 9:49 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Doubting Thomas - April 19, 2012 at 10:59 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by FallentoReason - April 19, 2012 at 11:11 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Mister Agenda - April 19, 2012 at 11:08 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Minimalist - April 19, 2012 at 11:58 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Cinjin - April 21, 2012 at 10:29 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Undeceived - April 20, 2012 at 3:29 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by KichigaiNeko - April 21, 2012 at 10:01 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 21, 2012 at 10:33 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Cinjin - April 21, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 21, 2012 at 6:12 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Phil - April 21, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by FallentoReason - April 21, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 21, 2012 at 2:41 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by The Grand Nudger - April 21, 2012 at 3:54 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Minimalist - April 21, 2012 at 8:21 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 21, 2012 at 9:14 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by FallentoReason - April 21, 2012 at 11:23 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 22, 2012 at 12:11 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by FallentoReason - April 22, 2012 at 12:37 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 22, 2012 at 6:01 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by radorth - April 22, 2012 at 1:42 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Phil - April 22, 2012 at 1:48 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Minimalist - April 22, 2012 at 2:20 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Phil - April 22, 2012 at 2:30 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 22, 2012 at 4:59 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by FallentoReason - April 22, 2012 at 4:27 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by The Grand Nudger - April 22, 2012 at 3:20 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Rhizomorph13 - April 22, 2012 at 3:36 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by The Grand Nudger - April 22, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by The Grand Nudger - April 22, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Minimalist - April 22, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by FallentoReason - April 22, 2012 at 9:52 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 22, 2012 at 11:30 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Minimalist - April 22, 2012 at 10:18 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by FallentoReason - April 23, 2012 at 3:48 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 23, 2012 at 10:16 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by FallentoReason - April 24, 2012 at 2:20 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 24, 2012 at 9:44 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2012 at 11:36 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 24, 2012 at 12:11 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 24, 2012 at 6:06 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 24, 2012 at 9:24 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Faith No More - April 24, 2012 at 8:20 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 24, 2012 at 8:45 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Shell B - April 24, 2012 at 10:48 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 24, 2012 at 11:11 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Norfolk And Chance - April 24, 2012 at 8:52 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Faith No More - April 24, 2012 at 9:57 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 24, 2012 at 10:59 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Norfolk And Chance - April 25, 2012 at 4:13 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2012 at 11:06 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Shell B - April 24, 2012 at 11:08 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 24, 2012 at 11:22 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2012 at 11:14 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Faith No More - April 24, 2012 at 11:26 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Shell B - April 24, 2012 at 11:36 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by FallentoReason - April 25, 2012 at 12:06 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 25, 2012 at 1:09 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by FallentoReason - April 25, 2012 at 1:31 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 25, 2012 at 1:40 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Tiberius - April 25, 2012 at 1:33 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Minimalist - April 25, 2012 at 1:50 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by FallentoReason - April 25, 2012 at 1:58 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 25, 2012 at 2:07 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by FallentoReason - April 25, 2012 at 2:19 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Cinjin - April 25, 2012 at 8:44 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by Minimalist - April 25, 2012 at 9:06 pm
RE: Illiterate men. - by FallentoReason - April 28, 2012 at 2:46 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by Drich - April 29, 2012 at 8:38 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by FallentoReason - April 29, 2012 at 9:39 am
RE: Illiterate men. - by The Grand Nudger - May 1, 2012 at 8:11 pm

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