Nationalism and secularism

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After this ominous cloud rose over the shattered remains of Nagasaki, our victory in WWII, the largest war mankind has ever fought, was assured. Tools, my friend...tools and brains, not blood, are what matter.

There you saw victory in this war of attrition, and brought christmas and baseball to Japan.
Tools and brains, those are things we got. But they are practically useless without the blood that fuels them. What good are the tools and brains of the American to us? What good are the tools and brains of the European? We need our own brains, and our own tools. This is why blood is important than anything else.

On victim and victor. I find this whole line of thought completely absurd.

So do I, friend. So do I. They both seem so opposite, right? But the victim complex is not present amongst us, friend. We do not lay the blame upon anyone. The current powers of the world are laying heavy upon us-so they do upon others. But this is not the problem, this is only a result that stems from the problem. We understand this. For this reason, there is no victim complex present within out consciousness. There is only pride and the drive to further our cause.

You would have us believe that you are mighty victors when speaking of your great nation,

But we are, friend. We are victors. Our race has seen the creation of countless empires, documented by history. Our domination was over a large mass of land throughout the Eurasian continent.
But now that time has passed. History will see to it that your time will be past, and you'll eventually retire to your own continent to let another power grow and expand it's influence. Hopefully, this won't be us. We know that imperialism serves no practical purpose. Our imperial grandfathers had seen it fit to spread our names wide into the far corners of the world-their purpose was to conquer the lands from sunrise to sunset. But even Chingiss Khan, blessed of the heavens, could not archive this goal. Who are we to claim that we could be greater victors than him? The time of victories that are measured in terms of the lands you have conquered, and the nations you hold in your grasp are over. These only bring more and more complications. Our victory will be in the freedom and prosperity of our own people. Something that is quite lacking for now. This is the reality. Not a statement that comes from victim complex.

but then constantly appeal to being helpless victims when asked why your great nation doesn't seem to be so great.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. The fact that you're oppressed by the (current)powers of the world does not mean that you cannot fight back. We're doing just that. So did the people who founded this country(with Britain as the current power of that time). The reason they had prevailed is because this nation is great, we did not fight a war where we had grand moslem powers supporting our cause, while the Greeks who had fought their own war of independence were supplied by the Christian powers to the West and North. Still doesn't matter though.

Similarly, you would have us believe that your turkish blood somehow makes you powerful, but when asked why this power is mysteriously absent you claim that you have been oppressed.

It certainly is. The US is a fairly new power-we've fought off the oppression of the victorious allied powers of WWI. And we didn't have the resources we have now back then. If you knew the state of the Turkish army that was practically created from nothing more than an ill-armed village rabble, you'd understand that it is not the weapons that make a man great and superior. It is the blood. I've never lost my faith in the power that flows through our blood. More and more I read through the pages of history, my thoughts are strengthened.
But if you'd ask me, "how this power is mysteriously absent" I'd say, it's not.
It never was. If it were absent, it'd be absent during the aftermath of WWI. It is simply the case that we're becoming lazy. We stop believing in the power of that blood, demonstrated so many times throughout history.
It is this noble blood, that is, the Turk himself, which will free us from oppression. I've quoted the Orkhun inscriptions a few times already.
They say "Return to yourself Turk, if you do that, you shall be strong".
This concept, that is, returning to yourself is a realization. As the inscriptions tell, the Turk has not yet had it's awakening ever since the Göktürk empire. We have founded many many more empires, even those greater than the Göktürks. But we did not have the unity that was represented within the Göktürks. Now, we must return to ourselves, and form this unity both in mind, spirit, lands and resources. If we do this, the power of this blood shall visibly show itself.

What you don't understand is, you think I'm talking of a mythological concept here. That I mayhap speak like the Welsh, that King Arthur, who is of their blood, will come and save us, like Chingiss or Attila will rise from the ground to save us somehow. No. I'm talking of a practical concept that aids us if we know to use it.
Therefore you ask questions like this. Many people do. And they come back and tell me that they would like to know more about my ideology, the Turks, at least, to whom I talk to. Most are very confused, and I try to ease their confusion.

Do you often see a very powerful people oppressed?

Yes, the arabs. They are a powerful people, but they are fractured.
If they would unite into a single political, cultural and ethnic identity, instead of calling themselves "iraqis", "syrians", "saudis" or etc. they'd undoubtly be mighty. They are powerful, however they need to focus this power. It is somewhat akin to pressure. If you take a needle to prick your skin, it will. But you cannot prick yourself with a sheet of iron-you'd have to apply more and more strength. You need to minimize the area that is in contact.
This is the same with the power of nations. If stregth is divided, it's "visible" power is rather small.
Chingiss Khan once gave his son an arrow, and told him to break it. He easily broke it in half. Than he gave him a bundle of arrows, but these would not break in half as easily as a single one.
Turkey, a country, is but a single arrow. Other sovereign Turkic countries, all single arrows. We need to become a bundle to show the power that we all hold. We are powerful. But a power divided.

Who would oppress them, and wouldn't they require power at least equal (if not greater) to do so in the first place?

As I said. You would use a needle to prick the skin, friend. Similarly, you would not want to take on any power head on. Divide and conquer.
However, the division was not to be by our enemies. We had long ago divided our power into parts. And even those parts were enough for us to dominate large regions of the world for centuries. Now, we need to unite this power in a single concept, a single goal.

I think that all of these wildly disparate statements are rationalizations meant to reenforce your bigotry or excuse your master race for failing,

If we had failed, we would cease to exist, friend. We would be like the Maoris, or Native Americans for that part. This is failure. They have no way of recovering their sovereign existence any more even though they are still there.
There is nothing to rationalize. I rationalize things by looking at history, not by illusions. I did not come to these thoughts simply because someone told me about them, I read, and read, both writers of this school of thought, and of history. I do not need any more rationalizations than reality itself.

They need not be consistent with reality or themselves (and clearly they are not). This isn't exactly new in to the annals of ethnocentrism or bigotry, it's sort of the standard operating procedure.

But they are consistent with reality. I would not hold these ideas if they weren't. The ideals of the communists were in contrast with reality. Your ideals are in contrast with reality. You think that ethno-centrism is a bad thing, because you think that most of humanity views itself as brothers, and there are only a few racists there and here. The truth is, the world itself, is bent on ethnocentrism.
My ideals are in complete consistency with reality.

Watch out, I'm a filthy anti-facist...lock up your kids!

Well, you shout out the same slogans they do. My ears just don't have to hear them, that's it.

You mean to say that you don't have any organization that aligns itself along political lines roughly or exactly mirroring those you have expressed here?

We do, but they are not expressed in the form we Turkists would like them to be expressed. This is due to the negative connections that the liberal media is associating with us-likening us to nazis and italian fascists. They also diss the idea of Turan, and say the same stuff that you say here. Cosmopolitanist crap.
Some are more leftist, some are more rightist, but at the end, they all are reluctant to say the word "Turk". They're afraid of it.
But hopefully, these will be cast down as we take command. And we're now rising to important positions in the current nationalist party in Turkey. But my primary hope lies with Yusuf Halaçoğlu-our potential next president. He will be probably a great source of morale and an opponent of stupid liberal policies-vetoing one at a time.

Whew, that's a relief, because I was starting to think that a bunch of douchebags were actively plotting to start yet more shit over there.

"Start more shit"? We never started anything. We are not anarchists, we follow the law. Our weapons are our pens. It is only when the enemy resorts to violence, we resort to violence.

So it's just you, you're going to establish the Nation of Turan? In your backyard or your bunker?

It is the goal, which is Turan. Not a goal that is easily archived, but a goal that can be archived if we would work towards it. As a believer of this ideology, I spread this way of thought by means of fraternities and monthly student magazines. I once had a student fraternity of my own, before the school closed it down, and outlawed my magazine. I now joined a more mainstream nationalist organisation, and am active there.
A large puddle is only created by the constant trickle of water.
Besides, I guess you don't really expect me to be like you-inactive.

Either is fine by me. People have written a great many things, not all of it is worthy of faith or respect Mehm (regardless of whether or not a person is dead, or has been tortured), you don't respect the things that we antifa son's-of-bitches write, do you? Your faith would likely be strengthened by whatever I posted, that's the nature of faith. Do you ever read any of our posts here Mehm?

Well, I don't think that you'd respect the writings of Turkish nationalist thinkers, you're not Turkish, and you cannot understand Turkish. Neither the language, nor the people.
And I don't know what you antifa people really write down, I thought that you just go around and beat up "fascists".
And I do read your posts here. Might I ask how you lost your own faith if the nature of faith is to strengthen itself? My faith is not strengthened by itself, it's strengthened in the things I see in people. I see in you that you are naturally rather nervous around people like me-maybe it's due to the nature of your own existence. You cannot really grasp the concepts of what I tell you here. Therefore, you form your thoughts about them as you had about religion. You think they must be similar. No, they are not.

"My own people" are often incompetent, and yet we are a superpower and you are not.

You are a superpower? And we're not. I see that you too, have finally started to puff your chest, eh? True, we're not a superpower. Should this mean that we ought to submit to your rule? Our purpose is not to be a superpower in your imperialist sense. Our purpose is to live in peace with our own kin, in our own country. You can be thrice the superpower that you are right now, if you want to. I don't think that you can handle the responsibilities of a superpower for too long. No superpower of the past, including us, was able to handle it.
As I see, your own people are starting to wonder why you have been fighting seemingly pointless wars around the earth as though it was your responsibility in the first place. Your incompetent society is beginning to crumble. You're essentially destroying yourself from within-as it was the case with our empires, as it was the case with the British empire, as it was the case with Rome. Therefore, I don't really pay much attention to the fact that you're a current superpower. I don't fear ya.

Where does that leave the master-race?

See my post above. As the poet says; "Civilization(the west) is nothing more than a monster with but a single tooth". So are you. Our blood is still the same noble blood. And you are still the same, mixed-blood people, that do not have a purpose beyond living the selfish, materialistic lifestyles that your country expects you to live.

You would appeal to the tyranny of others to excuse the tyranny you wish to impose?

I would call something tyranny, if I knew it to be tyranny. And I think that a country that would oppose the willing unification of our peoples, would be nothing more than just that. I'm not saying that we should unite like back in the days-by force-but by will. So how is this anyhow a tyranny I wish to impose upon others? The only people who will receive no mercy are those who betray their people and country, and those who incite others to engage in such acts. Those will be swiftly punished.

Yes, I do think there are "un-truths" in your posts everytime you start blathering on about your blood and your race and you ethnicity and all of the superiority garbage.

Maybe that is due to the inferiority complex that you feel. You automatically assume them to be untruths. However, it's not really up to you to determine these. We do not prove ourselves before your eyes, but before the eyes of Turks only.

They begin when you type the first letter, they end when you hit send. Are we clear? Did you just call me a stupid-head?

Stupid you're not, as you can obviously type. But you're simple. A simple minded person, that I can tell you.

My full feedback on ethnic superiority bullshit -is- that it is bullshit.

I did not even try to prove our superiority to you, mind you.
For there simply is no need for that. I'm proving our superiority to ourselves. This is the thing you don't understand. My ideology is not directed towards you-why should I be bothered with proving our superiority to you?

You must make your own race into the master-race, I don't have to explain to you why you are not.

You cannot explain to me how we're not a superior race of people.
We as Turkists simply know this for a fact. Our founding fathers knew this aswell, and they have spoken of it on numerous occasions.
There isn't much to explain to you about this, as you probably won't accept anything I'm saying. No other race would admit the superiority of the other.

Your views weren't arrived at by reason, and so it is unsurprising that a reasonable answer would not cause you to review them.

They are. I know for a fact that my views are the only ones applicable to our people. There certainly is no other ideology that fits us. For the Turk rejects the foreign, even if he claims to believe in a foreign ideology, he knows in his heart that his efforts of propagation will fail.

We've seen these, friend. Turks here in Turkey have tried many different ideologies. Our brethren elsewhere have gotten a taste of communism, and we're just now seeing how destructive capitalism can be.
Turkism is the only native form of thought that we can be in full connection with.

Of course, a "reasonable answer" would mean exactly what to you from a non-turk?

It means as much as a reasonable answer from a Turk to you, a non-turk.
If I did see any reason in your answers, I'd point those out myself.

Are we even capable of such things? When have I ever claimed to be or even know of a savior Mehmet, bullshit, absolute bullshit, and I'm probably the worst person to try that particular kind of bullshit on.

Friend, I only know that saving our people and leading them to prosperity flows through our form of thought.
If you know or believe in a saviour of your own people, like Black Jesus who was very very well marketed throughout the world as such, I wouldn't really blame you-you obviously need such figures.
We only need a collective consciousness to archive our salvation.

I label facists facists when they self identify as such in their explanations of their principles.

Grand. But I don't self-identify as a fascist. Doing so would bring me in direct confliction with my ideals.

You blather on about how it isn't a turkish word so it doesn't apply. Get over yourself. I hold no such view, I hold that you, specifically those of you who align themselves with bigotry and ethnocentrism are not irrelevant, but ignorant and dangerous (both to yourselves and those around you).

We are dangerous to ourselves and those around us? The US is not a nation built on any ethnicity, and it generally is filled with people that cannot really afford to lay claim to such an ideology in the first place-they have given up their own people and went to some continent across the ocean for better material needs, and hold no nationalist agendas whatsoever.
Still, it is not us who are starting wars on a periodical basis, damaging not their own economy, putting the lives of his own citizens in danger, all the while, not only damaging those around himself, like south America, but countries and peoples far far far away from himself. In fact, those who hold internationalist forms of thought have been the greatest oppressors of others throughout history.
Will you deny this? We simply want to be left alone-to live in peace and prosperity with our own kin.
How is this somewhat dangerous, I wonder? Meaning, we will not mingle into the internal affairs of other countries, we will not colonize and strip other countries off of their resources, we will not economically enslave other people like empires of your magnitude have done throughout history. Hold whatever views you hold. History proves to me, that people who hold no ethno-national ideals are often the most indifferent and most ruthless of people, not only towards their own people, but towards others aswell.

History bears out my assessment of this situation very nicely. I oppose the tyranny you would impose upon others under the guise of "unification".

If you're going to tell me about Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy, I'd tell you to hold. Would you really suggest that these countries have not been involved in the imperial agendas of their old, imperial self? How did it come that they have forcibly annexed countries bordering their lands?
Those two countries, were the same in essence to the British empire and the growing Soviet union of the time. Even though Hitler claimed to have loved his people, maybe he did, I may know know, he did not lead them to peace, but to war, he did not lead them to prosperity, but to poverty and destruction.

Now, the US, which is essentially doing the same, following the same imperialist agenda, staging false flag attacks against it's own targets, very much like the Nazis, who burned their own Reichstag, ventured far beyond their reach, to create the likeness of their once proud Holy Roman Empire, but failed. The US is trying to create something that is probably similar, but I do not know what, yet. Many conspiracy theories are surfacing, but I believe that the US has learned from the mistakes of the past, and is trying to economically emancipate other nations as to follow with various conditionalities and loan agreements.
I know you will deny these, but it really doesn't matter.
The fact is, the US displays the generic characteristics of an "empire", a multi-ethnic empire. It will crumble in the same way as others of it's kind did.
We on the other hand, build our country not on imperial agenda, not on near-mythological and made-up idelogies like the Nazis, nor on the notion s of religious, or species-based brotherhood. The only, single pillar of our ideology, is the Turk. Our identity, our people. This is why we will succeed, even if the deluded likes of you oppose it, probably with little more than petitions, but I'm sure that a suitable brainwashing campaign by the media will handle this nicely.

What would I expect, I would expect that you would have moved past tribal politics and ridiculous ethnocentric worldviews which are based wholly in ignorance and have caused nothing but suffering and bloodshed since the dawn of time.

You've said it with your own words. Since the dawn of time, tribal politics and ethnocentric worldviews have caused wars and bloodshed. Meaning, it is impossible to transcend these views. It is even more impossible to build a form of thinking on species-based brotherhood. The only brotherhood mankind accepts is either based on race and ethnicity, or materialistic needs. People do not stay loyal to America because they believe in the brotherhood of races or nations or that humanity is one. They stay loyal to America because America propagates their dreams of materialism. There is no other reason why a person(aside from political prisoners, or prisoners of conscience) would emigrate to America.

However, there also is another rule, the golden rule. This applies to ethnicity based politics aswell. As long as we stay clear of the path of other races, we shall not be botherered. And if we are, we will at least have the moral superiority in fighting back.

That's reasonable, isn't it? A single world state? Sounds like a pipe dream. Could be a pleasant one, could be a nightmare. Yes, Mehm, I would love to see us all "re0united" as if we were ever separated to begin with.

If we weren't really seperated, how does it come that I have to learn your language to communicate with you in this fine forum, with fine people?
Species based ideals do not hold true, even in nature. A nest of ants would fight with a neighboring nest of ants for survival. They would not "unite" their nests and begin to harvest resources together. If they did, we'd soon face an army of ants, trying to devour the flesh off our bones.
Competition, and tribalism is the nature of the world. Get over it.

We have no enemies here but ourselves, it would seem to be a pretty damned smart move to go ahead and do away with that one, what with it being something we should be able to control pretty well. What won;t work, who the fuck do you think I am, and have you ever once asked me my politcal views in all of this time you've been screaming about mutts and pure-bloods? No, you haven't.

I do not have to ask a question of which I already know the answer to, but I'll bite. What are your political views?

You've done nothing but tell me about myself and what I believe and why I believe it, and all of this based upon what you think my blood is or isn't, and what you think that means. I've explained this to you already Mehm. This is fairy tale bullshit.

Just as you, friend. I've spoken to you of your blood, as your blood is not really much of concern to you, as you tell me that it should not be a concern for me. But it is. It has to. What am I, if not the Turkish blood would be flowing through me? But your identity is certainly not dependent on the blood that flows within you.

Now answering creed of heresy. It is a very long reply and it came a bit late, but homeworks and studies have kept me from replying to you both for a few days.

I'll just interject a quick note; if all the Turks came together into a single or unity of Turkic states, it would be powerful indeed.

This is what we also hold. However, we'd use that power to help our own people. Not to show off our power to others.

Same can be said of ANY race, or nationality. If all the citizens in the US unified under a single political party and ideal? ...Well the rest of the world would be kneedeep in shit because then we'd all be easily misled fools, with no dissident voices, sitting on top of the most expensive, advanced, and battle-ready military in the world...

Certainly. If those races would unite, why would they really need to argue much about anything else? But it's not up to me to determine the pan-ideals of other races. Panslavism was already an ideal that was propagated, but never realized throughout Tzarist russia.
If the slavs would like to unite, let them.
But as for America, well, political unification isn't really akin to the unity I am laying forth for my own people. Of course, political unity is an important part of it, but first of all, we're trying to aim for a single ethnic consciousness, so that politics would not be able to ruin the brotherhood we aim for.
But well, I am also very unsure how political unity just within America will allow you to archive these things. You can certainly produce the world's most expensive, battle ready military in the world without political unity.

not to mention a looot of nuclear weaponry. If you want a fine example of Americans being easily misled and it having grave consequences for both Americans AND the rest of the world, you need only look at the aftermath of September 11th, 2001.

I know. This is why I view the current American mentality to be akin to the mentality of Nazi Germany, or Soviet union.
They saw people as "heaps" as "piles" of building materials to create something from it. However, the US differs in a single detail. It also propagates selfish individualism, so that people are too busy with their materialistic needs to actually care about much, and vote accordingly, to their materialistic needs. The media handles the rest, as they are the shepherds of the masses, whereas the masses should be the shepherds of the media.

You say America "steals" the best talent from other nations. That would imply taking something not rightfully ours.

Indeed. If you had paid for the education, fed the student throughout his studies, clothed him, gave him a place to stay and etc. etc. You'd be entitled to that person.
However, we do the above mentioned things, mostly free, or for the least amount of money(Unlike in the US, where it is not free.), so that our students will have an easy life through college, and can concentrate on their studies and social development, instead of rambling about monetary problems. If such a student would leave our country to work in America, I would simply state that this is nothing more than the theft of the brains that we, the Turkish people have raised with our own funds, without asking anything in return.

How unlike America, which actually seems to discourage it's people from seeking higher education by making it as expensive as possible?
The US is simply looking to snatching educated minds from other countries, while producing less on it's own, mostly those who have the money to pay for it.

But the thing is, we are a republic, built on law and founded on a constitution protecting the individual and exhorting him to exercise the freedom of him or herself within a fair, moral boundary [IE, no killing and the like; the rule of law]. You say we steal. We say we liberate.

The fact that you do not kidnap gifted people from their respective countries doesn't mean that you're not stealing them. Liberating them? From what? From being useful to their own people and country?
Sure, you give them a lot more money than they would probably earn in their home countries. This is nothing more than enslaving the nation that person comes from.

Korean government considers the paltry few who escape to South Korea as property stolen from them by the South and its "western devil allies," as they love to call us. Many Americans, however, mistake the idea of "liberating others." They think it involves bombs and rifles and stealth fighters. It does not. Liberty is an idea. An idea is more than a weapon, more than a man, and so long as it is just and fair, it is bulletproof.

Well, North Korea is a child born from the battle of ideas and ideologies.
The fact that they were still unable to move on from communism whereas it's two crucial allies, Russia and China have abandoned communism makes me think though. Why?

Our government, for the moment, is failing us. But we have the advantage over ancient empires of the past; we live in the age of information. And the American people are long past the point of being merely pissed off. We are undergoing political upheaval, though it's downplayed. New political parties are gaining power, overthrowing the current balance. This new party is crap, of course, but it has done all it needs to do; it's begun to change the political system of there only being two views, two ideas, two opinions.

So does out government, friend. However, I view the difference between ideas in simply the details.
In general terms, both claim to serve similar things.
In practice, they do not. So how does it really lay down on the mind of an individual? Something that is bad in practice, but sounds nice in theory?
Or something that sounds nice in theory, and is also somewhat applicable?
I'm not stating anything that is bad in practice. As I said, we've been through many ideas, many ideologies to realize which ones are applicable or not. We've tried to applied the lot of them, all, but all, have failed.
The only thing that was truly realized, at the start of our republic, is our form of thought. Our founding fathers were able to realize what we have advocated for so long after their work has been undone by certain other politicians who laid their own interests before the interests of the general public.
This is why I do not trust no politician, or politic party to actually solve things.
Not within the current democratic system anyways.
I generally criticize the Communists. However, the single party state, fixed firmly on a single ideal, is generally able to archive that ideal, at least partially. Why? As a party, they do not have to worry about elections. That is why they did not have to worry about public opinion. This is why they were essentially free to do as they saw fit. Their failure was not in their application of the single-party system, but in the ideology that was behind this party-communism, an ideology that is impossible to realize.
But a multiparty system requires politicians to think of ways of changing, misleading and manipulating public opinion, polls, events, statements and other things.
Their goals are always on the short-term. Never do they think of what will happen with them in the next hundred years. Nor do they lay policies or build political platforms based on their projects for the next hundred years. People do not like to dwell in the future, and they vote for parties that give them treats and sweets for the current time being, and they are gone in the next election if another party is offering better sweets and treats for the masses. The masses can never, ever bring forward a truly reasonable election-even if they are well educated, and well informed, they still have individual thoughts and ideals-selfishness drives them to vote for a party that they see close to their own ideals.

All parties promise good governance. But it's in the details, from which they gain the votes.
For that reason, I oppose this so-called democracy. Another failed, good in theory, bad in practice system of governance.

The greatest minds of today are all men of American, English, German, and Japanese education, in that order. The great feats of engineering are wrought by men not necessarily of these nations but of these nations' education, and for those nations. It is no coincidence that all technological innovations come from these four nations. Gone are the days of numbers meaning everything. A single man with a remote control can bomb an enter company of soldiers into the ground from 5000 miles away without having to do much more than ask his assistant to bring him a coffee. A hundred laborers by hand cannot do the job of a single man with a set of manufacturing equipment.

Indeed. But I do not dwell too much in the presence. I only view the present time as an incentive. These are the facts. How can we, as the Turkish nation, surpass these men in the fields of education and science?
We can't, if we can't even hold our greatest minds within the borders of our own country for too long. With these minds gone, all we have is to ask other countries for the technologies they manufacture.

This is technological dependency. My ideas are fixed towards ending this dependency. For that purpose, I study. For that purpose, I will live in my own country, and offer my education to the wellbeing of my own people.
I look forward to the future, I do not dwell too long on the present, as the present can be quite misleading.
Why? Those who perceive a current greatness within themselves, without thinking of the future, can become lost in their vanity. Their current greatness actually means nothing in the 4000 years old human history. Back then, the greatest minds in the fields of science came from the Egyptians and Greeks. Now, look at them.
If we say today, that we will never be able to surpass the US or Japan in terms of technological advancement, does this ring true for the near or far future?
Not at all, I'd say. Only a slave would willingly sacrifice his future for the present.

You say it's in your heritage to rise up and be great by unity. I say the man with the best equipment and brain wins.

And I say that only unity can bring us advancement in technological and military means.
What are we Turks, divided? But united, we have at least a weight on our own. Shared resources, funds, peoples.
Maybe this unity will allow our minds abroads to see the brains we viewed as lost, to return to his own lands, and work for the wellbeing of his own people. But I'm looking at things from the bleakest point as possible. Even if our wild horses do not return to their fields, we still have many, many generations before us. We can certainly build things anew.
The words of Ismail Gaspıralı say, "Unity in tongue, thought and work".
If we can archive this, I am certain that technological advancement will be the only thing left for us to worry about. But first, we need to archive this unity.
And this comes first, with economic independence. At least to a degree where our people are able to live what I consider to be the bare minimum standards, like free education, healthcare, and adequate jobs, a home and etc. If we Turks archive this economic and social advancement, we can talk of a unity.
I hope I make myself clear.

And the American idea of you doing what you want to do for your own life and purpose has, is, and always will be far more enticing than selection of superiority based on bloodlines.

Well, this of course, is your own opinion. But what good did it for you until now, friend? I see people in this forum that constantly bombard politicians, and people who do not hold the same views on public healthcare services, which is a concept beyond the lifes of people other than your own, and requires you to think of things in a more collective, national way.
It is really beyond me how you can tell me that you support strong individualism(which you tell me is the American idea of life), and then come before me and support public healthcare at the same time.
And even aside from that, this public healthcare system will be implemented in America. Not somewhere else, and will only serve Americans, and peoples that are currently within the borders of your country. As the US is not built on any ethnic identity, I guess there is nothing else for you but to extend this to national boundaries.
I extend this to people that are of my blood bonds. Turks, from all over the world, are my brethren. I open my homes to them in their times of need, I feed, I clothe them. I have done this for students who came from other Turkic countries. They were baffled to see the Turks from the other side of the Caspian sea, who were introduced to them during Soviet times as barbarians and destructive men of no valor, still hold the idea of Turkic brotherhood and unity dear, and many have been active writers for long in our now (forcibly)closed magazine advocating our ideals, which I named after the first magazine that was published by Nihal Atsız. Orkhun, the place where the inscriptions of Kül Tegin and Bilge Khan were found.

The bonds of blood, are always strong, friend. They surpass things such as economic bonds, or bonds of geographical measure, which are thin as a thread.

To that end...I am afraid you are chasing a pipe dream.

If I chase after a pipe dream, what are you doing, friend? Advocating living only for personal gain, all the while advocating public healthcare? The American way of life and "thinking", certainly brings forward only these incentives. Living for personal gain, living for personal prosperity. This is the same thing that constantly drives you to snatch the educated minds of other nations, as you can't be bothered with raising your own, unless they're rather amongst the richer sections of society. And the same incentive requires those people to show as little mercy as possible towards the poorer sections, all the while maximizing their profits. Your entire society hangs by a thread. I'm sure that we will see riots in the US that go beyond what the hippies and occupy wallstreet chantards have accomplished(nothing), if you continue this selfish way of thinking.
Now come and tell me that I'm chasing after a dream, all the while you're walking the path of truth. No, friend. I am very realistic in all of my ideals. I know what can be realized, and what cannot be. I have weighed the circumstances, the demands of our people, what we need to fulfill these demands, and how we will fulfill these demands.
I've come to a single conclusion. Turan. Anything else is not really in our favour, and has never been.