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[quote]Tradition meaning Church held documents and historical records.[/quote]
[quote]No, church "tradition" is simply shit they have made up over the years to fill in the blanks in your holy horseshit...[/quote]In some cases yes in others no. There are thousands upon thousands of volumes of different manuscripts that attest to all sorts of stories and accounts from the names of the three wise men to the boyhood miracles of Jesus. "Church traditions" is the process that describes which accounts are held on to and which are dismissed.
[quote]such as the name of the three kings who came to snifJesusus' diaper.[/quote]the word is:
magos
Pronunciation
mä'-gos (Key)
Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
Of foreign origin רב מג (H7248)
TDNT Reference
4:356,547
Vines
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Outline of Biblical Usage 1) a magus
a) the name given by the Babylonians (Chaldeans), Medes, Persians, and others, to the wise men, teachers, priests, physicians, astrologers, seers, interpreters of dreams, augers, soothsayers, sorcerers etc.
b) the oriental wise men (astrologers) who, having discovered by the rising of a remarkable star that the Messiah had just been born, came to Jerusalem to worship him
The average working man could not afford the gifts given by these men to Mary and Joseph, likewise astrology in those days (In that soceity) was reserved for the aristocracy . Maybe not kings persay, but close.
That is why in most versions of Matthew the word is Maji or Wisemen. Not king. I think catholics are the only one who hold on to that tradition.
[quote]Matty..the ONLY source...does not name them...does not say they were kings...and does not say there were 3 of them.[/quote]Again chruch tradition point to thier names. after a simple google search I found that They were first named in a document found in Alexandria around 500 AD that, when translated in to Latin from Greek, is titled "Excerpta Latina Barbari". This is the first written instance of their names from oral history.
Again, Church tradition being based on the written documentation they have in their archeives. What makes it "tradition" rather than fact is because at this point we can not verify every document the cathloic church holds.
[quote]Tradition meaning Church held documents and historical records.[/quote]
[quote]No, church "tradition" is simply shit they have made up over the years to fill in the blanks in your holy horseshit...[/quote]In some cases yes in others no. There are thousands upon thousands of volumes of different manuscripts that attest to all sorts of stories and accounts from the names of the three wise men to the boyhood miracles of Jesus. "Church traditions" is the process that describes which accounts are held on to and which are dismissed.
[quote]such as the name of the three kings who came to snifJesusus' diaper.[/quote]the word is:
magos
Pronunciation
mä'-gos (Key)
Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
Of foreign origin רב מג (H7248)
TDNT Reference
4:356,547
Vines
View Entry
Outline of Biblical Usage 1) a magus
a) the name given by the Babylonians (Chaldeans), Medes, Persians, and others, to the wise men, teachers, priests, physicians, astrologers, seers, interpreters of dreams, augers, soothsayers, sorcerers etc.
b) the oriental wise men (astrologers) who, having discovered by the rising of a remarkable star that the Messiah had just been born, came to Jerusalem to worship him
The average working man could not afford the gifts given by these men to Mary and Joseph, likewise astrology in those days (In that soceity) was reserved for the aristocracy . Maybe not kings persay, but close.
That is why in most versions of Matthew the word is Maji or Wisemen. Not king. I think catholics are the only one who hold on to that tradition.
[quote]Matty..the ONLY source...does not name them...does not say they were kings...and does not say there were 3 of them.[/quote]Again chruch tradition point to thier names. after a simple google search I found that They were first named in a document found in Alexandria around 500 AD that, when translated in to Latin from Greek, is titled "Excerpta Latina Barbari". This is the first written instance of their names from oral history.
Again, Church tradition being based on the written documentation they have in their archeives. What makes it "tradition" rather than fact is because at this point we can not verify every document the cathloic church holds.
