(April 24, 2012 at 4:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: How can you possibly believe that, objective (absolute) morality must come from a perfectly moral source, if it does not, it is subjective (whatever I feel) morality. Morality does not come out of the thin air, it represents the One or those who initiate it.
I believe it because I actually care about using the words according to their correct meaning.
Objective means independent of anyone's will, mind or consciousness. So if morality is dependent on god's will, then it is subjective, not objective.
Absolute means unchanging in time or space. Something can be objective and still not be absolute.
Objective morality does not come from god and it does not come from thin air. It comes from the same source that logic comes form - the nature of reality. In this case, the nature of a moral agent.
(April 24, 2012 at 4:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: No, not in this country we do not. No one is allowed to claim they are innocent because of their own subjective morality. They must claim their innocents according to the written law. I will agree that the morality of this nation is changing (for the worse IMO) and is subjective because it changes over time.
Exactly. The laws represent the common grounds agreed upon by almost everyone. Beyond the laws, everyone is allowed to live according to their subjective morality. The morality of your country is worsening because some of you are trying to make the laws overreach beyond prescribed limits.
(April 24, 2012 at 4:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: Again, how can you believe that, morality does not appear out of thin air, and man's nature leads to subjective morality, this means only the absolutely moral of the One can set objective morality. This means that only the One can judge and punish. I would agree that most can agree on some different moral issues, these usually become law of the people.
So, you understand how morals become laws. Subjective morality can be absolute as well if the one defining it does not change it. All you are arguing for here is the non-existence of objective morality. If it depends on man's will, it is subjective, if it depends on god's will, it is still subjective.
(April 24, 2012 at 4:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: How do you see a society that has objective morality by the One becoming a failure. I do not know of one nation that has survived under subjective morality.
Every nation surviving today does so under subjective morality. Some tenets of the subjective morality which are agreed upon by everyone are made into laws. If you don't agree, can you name any nation whose morality is the same today as it was a thousand years ago? Or even a hundred years ago?
A nation that doesn't change according to time gets left behind and becomes backward. Eventually, it destroys itself and has to be replaced with a more rational and constantly evolving system.
