(April 30, 2012 at 10:56 pm)Godschild Wrote:Did you read my bible quote? No one goes to the Father except through me? As for being judged by their sins, how can they be judged if they were never taught it was wrong? The wages of sin is death. That's all sin. So, according to what you just said, the only way for a non-believer to go to heaven is for them to be perfect. Of course you may disagree, and say God is more just than that, but you cannot justify it biblically. All you can argue is that "God is just and we can not know his mind"(April 30, 2012 at 7:12 pm)libalchris Wrote: I think a good question is why theists preach and act as though anyone who has not heard of and accepted Jesus Christ before their death goes to hell, while they'll usually say, if asked, that people who never had an opportunity to accept Jesus will go to heaven.
Not true, just because one has not heard of Christ does not mean they are off the hook for their sin. They will be judged for them, and God in His justice will determine what happens. They can't be held responsible for not accepting Christ.
Godschild Wrote:so what verses do you have that support the idea that nonbelievers are judged only by their sins if they never had the opportunity to learn of the gospel?libalchris Wrote:This, despite the complete lack of biblical justification for that view, and the biblical evidence against that view. For example in John 14:6 Jesus says: "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." and in Acts 16:31 Paul tells the Jailer: "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved."
Both those verses and many others that state the same are true, for those that have heard of Christ.
Godschild Wrote:Just according to what standards? God's? In that case whatever God does is just, and we have no say in the matter, which is hardly agreeable. God could do whatever he wants and it would be just. Personally, it seems to me that any reasonable person would not spread the gospel. That way, if God is truly just, people will be judged by who they are, not by whether or not they believed in God.libalchris Wrote:If those without knowledge of Jesus are condemned, then God can hardly be considered good, for how can anyone be condemned for not knowing what they had no opportunity to learn?
God is just and will judge those who have not heard of Christ justly. Just is not what God is, just is who God is.
Godschild Wrote:again with the justness, see above.libalchris Wrote:If those without knowledge are saved, then how could any good and sane person bear to preach the gospel to others, knowing good and well that some will not accept thereby ensuring that they go to hell?
The ones without knowledge are not necessarily saved, they are judged and after that God determines what happens, justly.