(May 3, 2012 at 10:03 pm)DeeTee Wrote: #1. If you heard it before and rejected it, then be forewarned. The message is not going to change just because you think it is redundant or you do not like it. The truth doesn't change.
And you too should be "forewarned." As this statement applies equally to you. Indeed the truth does NOT change. Religions, on the other hand, come and go and your god is well-known for continually changing ... or are you still stoning children and killing homosexuals??
DeeTee Wrote:#2. No you don't because the human idea is flawed filled with error and far from the truth.
Nope. You said that it's a divine issue. Well, sorry but if you're involving the existence of the human race than it is no longer some one sided divine issue and what your god is doing is unjust (and very clearly so I might add). It's like being murdered by the mob and just before you're wacked you're told, "hey it's not personal." Well fuck that, it's personal to the guy having his brains blown out. Furthermore, your god is guilty of crimes against humanity and deserves to be hung by the neck like any genocidal dictator deserves.
DeeTee Wrote:#3. See #2. Human justice is influenced by too many factors and is very subjective. Case in point the human idea of justice in a case involving child molestation is far different than a case involving the murder of an adult.
Stupid analogy. The punishment must fit the crime. Your god supposedly created all humans with a sinful nature, than he refuses to reveal himself to those who "don't seek him" than he damns these finite mortal beings to an eternity of torture upon their deaths. You can try and dance around the definition of justice all you want. It is not just and giving your god the divine leeway to do whatever he wants is not going to sell here.
DeeTee Wrote:If you want justice then you have to go by God's definition not your own.
god doesn't have a definition of justice, he simply does whatever he wants and you say that it must be just ... simply because he did it. No thanks ... I most certainly do NOT have to use your god's definition of justice.
DeeTee Wrote:#4. God has revealed Himself you just do not accept it. You have the Bible, the universe, the world around you, you have christians, missionaries etc. you just want to be the ruler of God and demand that HE humble Imself to meet your demands.
It doesn't work that way. You have to humble YOURSELF to God and follow HIS rules to be saved.
Awesome, you contradict yourself yet again. Stating that god won't reveal himself to me because I haven't sought him out and yet now you're saying he already has revealed himself. I have the Bible and the universe and the world around me??? What does that even mean?? The muslims have the same thing and they outnumber you. The Hindus the Buddhists ... they all have the same thing. It's all accident of birth pal. If you were born in Pakistan you'd be preaching to me about Allah right now and threatening to kill me if I mocked him. Than you tell me that I want to be the ruler of god and demand that he humble himself to meet my demands. That's so very very untrue and you sir are a liar. I never even gave that impression. Your false god does NOT have to humble himself before me nor does he need to meet my demands - as I have NONE. In fact, all he need do is show himself to the entire world and I have little doubt that most of us would jump on board. You talk about following HIS rules. I think not. They're simply the ridiculous rules of uneducated bronze age goat herders, half of which are not even applicable to even christians any longer. Lets pretend for a moment that your god does exist and that "his rules" really are enforced. Than he is the most arrogant, self-absorbed unjust piece of shit that ever existed.